Is it really hard to fathom why many people despise the US?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 25 Apr 2015, 10:20

vtsnowedin wrote: What is inhumane about a clean razor sharp arrow though the vitals that bleeds out in a few minutes? You would prefer they were hit by a car or starved to death after their teeth failed? Remember that there are no old age homes for wild animals.

I have no problem with hunting, I dislike the idea of hunting with bows because they are difficult to use and under powered compared to a decent sized rifle. At the distance shown in your video I could easily have put a shotgun slug or a bullet from my .308 right through the brain for an instant kill.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 25 Apr 2015, 21:32

Catweazle wrote: At the distance shown in your video I could easily have put a shotgun slug or a bullet from my .308 right through the brain for an instant kill.

That is a lot easier said then done. A feeding bear keeps moving his head so is likely to move the target just as you squeese off the shot. The man made a good clean heart shot. A bear shot in the same place with a .308 could have easily have run as far.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 26 Apr 2015, 11:04

vtsnowedin wrote:
Catweazle wrote: At the distance shown in your video I could easily have put a shotgun slug or a bullet from my .308 right through the brain for an instant kill.
That is a lot easier said then done. A feeding bear keeps moving his head so is likely to move the target just as you squeese off the shot. The man made a good clean heart shot. A bear shot in the same place with a .308 could have easily have run as far.

We'll have to differ on this.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 26 Apr 2015, 12:32

Catweazle wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Catweazle wrote: At the distance shown in your video I could easily have put a shotgun slug or a bullet from my .308 right through the brain for an instant kill.
That is a lot easier said then done. A feeding bear keeps moving his head so is likely to move the target just as you squeese off the shot. The man made a good clean heart shot. A bear shot in the same place with a .308 could have easily have run as far.
We'll have to differ on this.

Fair enough.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 17 May 2015, 08:04

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 May 2015, 11:20

biffvernon wrote:

No other country gives women as much freedom and access to money, which some use to buy drugs. Other countries don't incarcerate their women. They just sell them into slavery or stone them to death.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 17 May 2015, 15:24

Most countries in Europe give women at least as much freedom, and some of them even more legal protection, and none of them find the need to lock up nearly as many, even in countries with more drug problems.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 17 May 2015, 18:45

The female prisoner stats are meaningless unless we know what they are in prison for.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 17 May 2015, 19:17

In Thailand most will be in prison for drug offences. The nation is extremely intolerant of drug use and dealing.

Otherwise, I don't know. US has very high prison rates for men too, so I am not surprised at the high rate for women.

In most European nations, crime by women is more often seen as a result of poverty or maltreatment, and prison is avoided when a man might get sent down.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 May 2015, 22:14

Drug related offenses and mandatory sentencing plus the American move towards being gender neutral in all things government is why the US numbers for women are so high.
Now if your trying to say these women have not committed the crimes they are in jail for, I'd need to see some proof of that.
And if they did in fact commit those crimes why shouldn't they be in jail, and why should any other countries numbers matter to the citizens of the USA who are being protected by having these criminals both male and female off the street.

oobers · Post by **oobers** » 17 May 2015, 23:24

vtsnowedin wrote:And if they did in fact commit those crimes why shouldn't they be in jail

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... -anything/

Women are also more likely than men to have children who rely on them for support. 147,000 American children have mothers in prison.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 18 May 2015, 10:42

oobers wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:And if they did in fact commit those crimes why shouldn't they be in jail
http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... -anything/

Women are also more likely than men to have children who rely on them for support. 147,000 American children have mothers in prison.

From the linked piece.

Oklahoma is currently ranked No. 1 for female incarceration per capita in the country. Nearly 80 percent of Oklahoma’s incarcerated women are nonviolent offenders, their presence in prison largely attributed to drug abuse, distribution of controlled substances, prostitution and property crimes.

Makes my point.

oobers · Post by **oobers** » 18 May 2015, 11:54

Indeed, most women across the world are in prison because of drug related crime. But if we keep them out of prison and in better contact with their children, they are more likely to respond to drug treatment and less likely to deepen their drug problems or develop mental health problems. Also, the children of mothers who are in prison are more likely to commit crimes in adulthood than children who remain with their mothers. Women with drug problems who live with their children can present a danger for their children, for sure but if we take care of the needs of both parents and children as a unit, a better outcome overall is more likely.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 18 May 2015, 12:19

My (adopted) children being a case in point.

Both parents from 'broken' homes, meet whilst living in 'supported' housing, 2 kids in quick succession, lots of alcohol, violence, police intervention, post natal depression, probably drugs.

Result - children in care 2 weeks after birth of second, the first with broken bones, the second's learning difficulties probably the result of foetal alcohol consumption, etc. etc. Only each blaming the other prevented one going to jail.

Since then both parents have moved on, both have further children, father has married, mother has settled down and a lot of social support. Trying to get a job. Not model citizens but doing OK.

Drug use is mostly a symptom of problems, and criminalising it only makes it worse.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 18 May 2015, 18:19

The thing we all have to remember with VT, however, is that he has spent a lifetime being subjected to the context-removal narrative of MSM such as Fox "news" etc.. Consequently, he really is quite incapable of morally looking at the world with any degree of nuance, subtlety or context. He is furthermore incapable of actually understanding that this is a cognitive deficit.

Poor thing