The rise of the far right

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 11 Oct 2014, 23:33

biffvernon wrote:The biggest danger to the billionaire owners of global multinationals is the EU becoming powerful enough to clip their wings. Hence their support for UKIP and the brainwashing of the sheeple into anti-EU nationalism and foreigner scapegoating by the billionaire owned mass media.

As Steve says, Wake up.

Whilst we can certainly agree on the motivations and unspoken agenda of people like Farage and his party, we can agree on little else on the rest of this issue. The rise of the far right is, in large part, due to the liberal left's capitulation to the neo-con narrative that the wholesale importation of low skilled labour to these shores is all about "multiculturalism" and "diversity" and not the dirty little trick it really is of keeping wages and conditions held down. And, of course, anyone who objects is called a "racist" courtesy of that same liberal left's policing of the cultural narrative.

The bulk of people who are voting for the likes of UKIP in ever larger numbers are simply desperate for a narrative that tells them they have a future, that offers them hope for themselves and their kids. But there is none since the bourgeoisie political left in this country gave up actually giving a shit about the proletariat around 25 years ago and have, instead, occupied themselves with the minutia of political correctness and saving the whale. Thus, the ever so civilised metropolitan new-labour liberal left offers the proletariat no hope whatsoever. Hence, UKIP and all the rest of the (even less subtle) far right are rushing in to fill the vacuum.

Since every post of yours on here indicates to me that you belong firmly in that bourgeoisie liberal left camp I have mentioned, perhaps people like you should have been more careful for what you wished. I hope you are proud.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 12 Oct 2014, 02:11

biffvernon wrote:The biggest danger to the billionaire owners of global multinationals is the EU becoming powerful enough to clip their wings. Hence their support for UKIP and the brainwashing of the sheeple into anti-EU nationalism and foreigner scapegoating by the billionaire owned mass media.

As Steve says, Wake up.

The EU is a Fascist organisation that is in the pockets of the big European corporations. Those corporations are no different from their US cousins, e.g Vatenfall suing the German government over their dropping of nuclear power! The EU is as likely to clip their wings as it is to jump over the moon.

As Steve says, Wake up.

mr brightside · Post by **mr brightside** » 12 Oct 2014, 11:50

I've lost track of who is insulting who and for what here, but i've never stuck it to a man- that much i'm certain of.

Susukino · Post by **Susukino** » 14 Oct 2014, 08:44

mr brightside wrote:I've lost track of who is insulting who and for what here

I popped into PowerSwitch this morning as I do once every year or so. Having skimmed this thread I can see you hit the nail on the head. It's just rant after rant, unsupported assertion after unsupported assertion, ad hominem attack after ad hominem attack, interspersed with the odd "no true Scotsman" response.

Then I checked out the other forum topics and I found they were mostly the same.

I don't remember it being such a vitrol-fest in 2007.

Where do you people find the time? I'm not talking about the time to make the odd cogent observation or an occasional thoughtful comment on matters that are, after all, important.

I'm talking about the time to write reams of text on dozens on different threads. What does it say about certain individuals that they need to spend hours every day recycling hysterical conspiracy theories and spewing bile on a forum? No wonder the power-down movement is regarded as a bunch of tin foil hatters.

Good luck to you all. See you again in October 2015, when no doubt I will get to read some vituperative responses...

Suss

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 14 Oct 2014, 09:27

Sobering post.......

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 14 Oct 2014, 11:49

Not in the least. It's the easiest thing in the world to not bother to express an opinion oneself whilst simultaneously accusing anyone else who does express strongly held opinions as being disagreeable. It's pathetic, frankly. Even more so that they have actually taken the time to make their non-post. Invariably, I find that people who make such posts simply don't agree with one or more of the other posts in a thread (which is absolutely fair enough, of course). They lack, however, the courage of their convictions to argue their position and so, instead, make their snide little non-comments from the side and then do a runner.

As I said, pathetic.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 14 Oct 2014, 12:05

kenneal - lagger wrote:The EU is as likely to clip their wings as it is to jump over the moon.

Of course, it does depend upon who we decide to put into power. I wouldn't put most of this lot in charge of a dud battery but most people vote in opposition to me.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 14 Oct 2014, 12:16

I have a pragmatic and ethical problem when it comes to the EU. On the one hand, the EU appears, on the face of it, to provide some safeguards to working people that the right wing of our UK political establishment would do way with if they got the chance. On the other hand, as K has pointed out, the EU is no less a mouthpiece of transnational corporations than the Yank administration, when push comes to shove and so, for me, the ideal outcome would be a UK free of EU directives, but which had also a solid socialist administration in place. However, the UK public have been dragged so far down the neo-con cultural narrative over the last thirty years that we could just as easily end up with a right wing UKIP-esque administration.

It seems, whichever way you look, the poor and dispossessed are f***ed.

What a surprise.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Oct 2014, 13:58

''I sometimes fear that people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress worn by grotesques and monsters as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you...It doesn't walk in saying, "Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution." - Michael Rosen

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 14 Oct 2014, 14:50

Fascism/Socialism - much the same to me. They both end up stuffing the people at the bottom so that the people at the top can do their own thing. Look at recent history, the last 100 years.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 14 Oct 2014, 15:30

kenneal - lagger wrote:Fascism/Socialism - much the same to me. They both end up stuffing the people at the bottom so that the people at the top can do their own thing. Look at recent history, the last 100 years.

I don't think you can so easily argue that the proletariat in the soviet block were worse off under communism than they are now. Or, at least, prior to Putin cracking down on the oligarchs (many of whom appear to have found a much more conducive environment in which to operate in the UK). The Petit bourgeoisies and the bourgeoisie proper were probably materially worse off under communism, to be sure. So, what?

As for contemporary examples; one of the few places where something approaching proper socialism is still in place, Cuba, is so poorly off that it has a more highly educated population, a much better health outcome throughout life and a massively lower infant mortality rate than its nearest neighbour the USA, the apparent, land of the "free". As in, "free" to live in the gutter if they do not live up to the illusory "American Dream".

mr brightside · Post by **mr brightside** » 14 Oct 2014, 18:59

stevecook172001 wrote:Not in the least. It's the easiest thing in the world to not bother to express an opinion oneself whilst simultaneously accusing anyone else who does express strongly held opinions as being disagreeable. It's pathetic, frankly. Even more so that they have actually taken the time to make their non-post. Invariably, I find that people who make such posts simply don't agree with one or more of the other posts in a thread (which is absolutely fair enough, of course). They lack, however, the courage of their convictions to argue their position and so, instead, make their snide little non-comments from the side and then do a runner.

As I said, pathetic.

I don't mind strongly held opinions, Steve, but i do find it tiresome when they are regularly coming with a kick in the balls tagged on the end. The reason i keep coming back to read these boards is because all the regular contributors have a level of insight i'm nowhere near, and i learn things; it's just a shame i'm so regularly getting my arse handed to me.

3rdRock · Post by **3rdRock** » 14 Oct 2014, 21:56

mr brightside wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:Not in the least. It's the easiest thing in the world to not bother to express an opinion oneself whilst simultaneously accusing anyone else who does express strongly held opinions as being disagreeable. It's pathetic, frankly. Even more so that they have actually taken the time to make their non-post. Invariably, I find that people who make such posts simply don't agree with one or more of the other posts in a thread (which is absolutely fair enough, of course). They lack, however, the courage of their convictions to argue their position and so, instead, make their snide little non-comments from the side and then do a runner.

As I said, pathetic.
I don't mind strongly held opinions, Steve, but i do find it tiresome when they are regularly coming with a kick in the balls tagged on the end. The reason i keep coming back to read these boards is because all the regular contributors have a level of insight i'm nowhere near, and i learn things; it's just a shame i'm so regularly getting my arse handed to me.

Stupid boy!

Didn't you know that this is Steve's forum?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 14 Oct 2014, 22:44

mr brightside wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:Not in the least. It's the easiest thing in the world to not bother to express an opinion oneself whilst simultaneously accusing anyone else who does express strongly held opinions as being disagreeable. It's pathetic, frankly. Even more so that they have actually taken the time to make their non-post. Invariably, I find that people who make such posts simply don't agree with one or more of the other posts in a thread (which is absolutely fair enough, of course). They lack, however, the courage of their convictions to argue their position and so, instead, make their snide little non-comments from the side and then do a runner.

As I said, pathetic.
I don't mind strongly held opinions, Steve, but i do find it tiresome when they are regularly coming with a kick in the balls tagged on the end. The reason i keep coming back to read these boards is because all the regular contributors have a level of insight i'm nowhere near, and i learn things; it's just a shame i'm so regularly getting my arse handed to me.

If by getting your "arse handed to you", you mean I have critically replied to your post, then you are free to interpret my reply in that way, of course. The fact that I have taken the time and trouble to critically reply to it should give you a clue as to whether I thought it was worthy of a reply. Would you rather I ignored your posts or did not reply to them directly due to my considering them not worthy of response? Or, do you just want me to be "nicer"?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 14 Oct 2014, 22:44

Shortfall wrote:
mr brightside wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:Not in the least. It's the easiest thing in the world to not bother to express an opinion oneself whilst simultaneously accusing anyone else who does express strongly held opinions as being disagreeable. It's pathetic, frankly. Even more so that they have actually taken the time to make their non-post. Invariably, I find that people who make such posts simply don't agree with one or more of the other posts in a thread (which is absolutely fair enough, of course). They lack, however, the courage of their convictions to argue their position and so, instead, make their snide little non-comments from the side and then do a runner.

As I said, pathetic.
I don't mind strongly held opinions, Steve, but i do find it tiresome when they are regularly coming with a kick in the balls tagged on the end. The reason i keep coming back to read these boards is because all the regular contributors have a level of insight i'm nowhere near, and i learn things; it's just a shame i'm so regularly getting my arse handed to me.
Stupid boy!

Didn't you know that this is Steve's forum?

How silly.