Brexit Watch

[Stumuz2]

How about the vaccine rollout?

[Potemkin Villager]

No I do not expect instant gratification but one might have expected to see, at the very least, some tangible positive indicators by now. I will take your comment to mean that there have been no indications at all and you don't see this changing anytime soon!

Holyhead Hydrogen hub does not count?

Only if one accepts the unconvincing argument you make that it happened because of Brexit. In fact it sounds the sort
of project that may have go it's original impetus from the EU Horizon 2020 programme!

[Stumuz2]

No I do not expect instant gratification but one might have expected to see, at the very least, some tangible positive indicators by now. I will take your comment to mean that there have been no indications at all and you don't see this changing anytime soon!

Holyhead Hydrogen hub does not count?

Only if one accepts the unconvincing argument you make that it happened because of Brexit. In fact it sounds the sort
of project that may have go it's original impetus from the EU Horizon 2020 programme!

Of course it happen because of Brexit. You will be saying next that Irish fisherman's 30% reduce quotas were planned all along!

[Potemkin Villager]

Of course it happen because of Brexit. You will be saying next that Irish fisherman's 30% reduce quotas were planned all along!

Well you would say that. Even I do not know what I will be saying next so I am in awe of your apparent pre cognitive abilities!

S2 do calm down, you should really watch the old blood pressure.

[Stumuz2]

Will do. It's good to be in control of your destiny

[adam2]

I have moved a post from this thread into the "electrical" forum as it seemed to be more electrical than brexit related.

The moved post and replies may be found here viewtopic.php?f=53&t=27819

[Mark]

I have moved a post from this thread into the "electrical" forum as it seemed to more electrical than brexit related.

Really ?
Stumuz2 tells us that Brexit would hasten us towards energy self sufficiency from the EU.
Much as I would like this to be so, the evidence on the ground indicates we're going in the opposite direction.

[kenneal - lagger]

This opinion piece from, of all places, the Grauniad talks about the wage rises coming about for low paid workers as a result of current government policies not allowing in low paid workers and as a result of Brexit. It also mentions the higher paid Remain voters who would let all and sundry in so that they are not inconvenienced by shortages.

All in all a very good piece.

[Stumuz2]

From the other side of the journalistic fence, Vernon Bogdonor.
What you have to keep in mind is Vernon is the sine qua non of the constitutional history/jurisprudence world. He WAS a dyed in the wool remainer.

" For the Remainer elite, it is not that the EU forfeited the confidence of the British people, but rather the people who had forfeited the confidence of the EU.
The people, then, have not come up to the mark. To this elite, it follows that in any conflict with the EU, the UK Government, elected on a popular mandate to get Brexit done, must be in the wrong. If France causes pinpricks to fishermen in Jersey, there must be a good reason for it. If the EU insists on a border in the Irish Sea, it must be justified. If France and Germany cast doubt on the Astrazeneca vaccine, a doubt which could cost lives, extenuating circumstances must be found"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... i-british/

[Mark]

Ministers bowed to pressure to drop key climate commitments for UK trade deal with Australia:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/r ... tp&pc=U531

No surprises here - another example of the Brexit race to the bottom...

[Stumuz2]

You got that the wrong way round. That is Brexit in action. We put the interests of UK plc before climate. When other poorly contrubuting climate countries Germany (coal plants) China (coal plants) Ireland (unbelievably immoral PEAT burning power plants) achieve the carbon reductions the the UK have.
Then we can talk of a race to the bottom, When everyone else gets off the bottom.

[BritDownUnder]

I would have thought that Australia just wants a trade deal and none of the rest of the baggage that other countries are putting onto trade deals with the UK like, I don't know, dismembering the UK for example, or abolishing the NHS, or allowing hordes of Indian immigrants to the UK for example. I just think Australia wants to sell a bit more food to the UK and maybe even coal too and get some UK made electronics and similar technology and even some investment.

Australia is happy to keep open its coal plants as there is 1000 years of coal here, 11,000 years if you count brown coal and not put in too many gas stations that use rapidly dwindling gas supplies.

The UK closed its coal power stations to meet an EU directive while Germany kept theirs open and the UK then bought German and French made gas turbines to replace them. Funny really, don't you think?

According the the Australian Trade Minister, trade agreements are about reducing barriers to trade and tariffs and not much else.

It may come as a surprise to some but Australia generated 37% of its electricity from renewables today and is currently constructing 1GW of utility wind and 1GW of utility solar per year as well as another 1GW of household rooftop solar and also due to have a 175GWh pumped storage scheme ready by 2025 which will be about 10 times the total UK current pumped storage capacity.

[Mark]

You got that the wrong way round. That is Brexit in action. We put the interests of UK plc before climate. When other poorly contrubuting climate countries Germany (coal plants) China (coal plants) Ireland (unbelievably immoral PEAT burning power plants) achieve the carbon reductions the the UK have.
Then we can talk of a race to the bottom, When everyone else gets off the bottom.

So, Brexit just allows us to be as bad as everyone else, rather than leading by example ?
What's the point of us hosting COP26 then ?
I despair.

[Mark]

It may come as a surprise to some but Australia generated 37% of its electricity from renewables today and is currently constructing 1GW of utility wind and 1GW of utility solar per year as well as another 1GW of household rooftop solar and also due to have a 175GWh pumped storage scheme ready by 2025 which will be about 10 times the total UK current pumped storage capacity.

Australia has fantastic opportunities for renewables with all that sunshine and a massive coastline. It has been very slow to transition, but 37% sounds like good progress is being made, and more to come. The target should be over 100%, so that the excess can be used to generate H2 and NH3.

In the UK, Q1 2021, renewables' share of generation was 41.6%, so not too different.

[Stumuz2]

So, Brexit just allows us to be as bad as everyone else, rather than leading by example ?
What's the point of us hosting COP26 then ?
I despair.

To get consensus on the way forward? Or should the UK lead to the detriment of its citizens?