Migrant watch (merged topic)

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 21 Sep 2015, 07:23

vtsnowedin wrote:
biffvernon wrote:. He wanted to stress to me that, unlike people in Saudi and Kuwait, every Jordanian he met took the attitude that refugees were welcome. It didn't matter how poor a Jordanian was, they were willing to share whatever they had with refugees. The Jordanians are an inspirational people, caught in the centre of hostility and threats all around them with little hope for the future, but their humanity is unsurpassed.
I suspect that based on their history the Israelis would beg to differ.
But assuming the point about their humanity is correct, How do you see that playing out for them? Do they ever reach a point where the lifeboat is full?

The Palestinians didn't worry about the first few Jews who arrived in Palestine. They're regretting that now!

The first few hundred thousand migrants aren't a problem, after all we have been accepting over 300,000, that we know of, every year for the past few years. It's the second or third million when you start to get the problems with wages dropping, jobs getting short and housing costs rising. Oh! Isn't that what they're saying in Lebanon according to J2M!

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 22 Sep 2015, 22:56

China has nearly 61m empty homes. Why would China not take these migrants in?

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 23 Sep 2015, 02:02

They have their own problems with militant Islamists, Uigers I think.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 23 Sep 2015, 07:13

AutomaticEarth wrote:China has nearly 61m empty homes. Why would China not take these migrants in?

They don't want to go to China. Recent reports are that only 1 in 5 are actually Syrian, who knows how many of that 20% are actually refugees.

AutomaticEarth · Post by **AutomaticEarth** » 23 Sep 2015, 10:25

Catweazle wrote:
AutomaticEarth wrote:China has nearly 61m empty homes. Why would China not take these migrants in?
They don't want to go to China. Recent reports are that only 1 in 5 are actually Syrian, who knows how many of that 20% are actually refugees.

Indeed. Without passports (or at least faked ones), then it's difficult to even know who they are or where they come from.

BBC was showing a PEGIDA march this morning, and was saying that the German government is worried that ordinary Germans are attending these marches. It makes you wonder what planet the current Geman government is on.....

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 23 Sep 2015, 10:57

AutomaticEarth wrote: Without passports (or at least faked ones), then it's difficult to even know who they are or where they come from.

It should be fairly straightforward to know if they are humans.

http://climatemigration.org.uk/events-m ... te-change/

Webinar: climate change and displacement – 24 Sept.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 23 Sep 2015, 12:40

AutomaticEarth wrote:Indeed. Without passports (or at least faked ones), then it's difficult to even know who they are or where they come from.

On the other hand refugees are often in a position where papers are hard to come by. Immigration can be a complex issue. I once dealt with a case of someone in the UK who had half a citizenship from two separate African countries, but could not get papers to travel. In the end he went to Australia as a spouse.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 23 Sep 2015, 12:43

Immigration can be a complex issue because people make it so. It doesn't have to be.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 23 Sep 2015, 13:39

Obviously if you just say yes to everyone it is easy or indeed if you say no, but if you start considering who qualifies on some basis or another and who does not then it has to have complications.

Eg which children are allowed in in what circumstances etc etc.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 23 Sep 2015, 16:32

biffvernon wrote:Immigration can be a complex issue because people make it so. It doesn't have to be.

Oh yes it does. If anybody was idiotic enough to try to implement the sort of solution you favour, they would suddenly find themselves in a very complex situation indeed.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 23 Sep 2015, 18:09

As has Germany, welcoming allcomers to begin with and then having to close its borders to avoid being flooded.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 23 Sep 2015, 21:47

Jeremy Corbyn has bounced another refugee situation back into conciousness. The fascinating situation of the Saharawi.

http://www.sandblast-arts.org/press-rel ... st-colony/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdJYbkdk1o

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 25 Sep 2015, 18:53

A little evening viewing for the weekend:

http://www.designmadeingermany.de/2015/91231/

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 25 Sep 2015, 20:47

Reality, meet Biff Vernon.

Biff, meet Reality.

Hope you get on!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34356758

A daily flow of about 8,000 refugees to Europe is likely to continue, the United Nations warns.

Hmmm, now let's see.

Germany has agreed to take 800,000, which has caused massive internal dissent and has not prompted any other European countries to follow suit. That will keep Europe going for 100 days, although the German people will be very, very p*ss*d off about it.

The UK has agreed to take 20,000 over 5 years. Do the maths. We are going to take less than three day's worth of these refugees over FIVE YEARS. That'll solve the problem, won't it!!!

Wake the f*** up, Biff. It's grown-up time. "Let's play pretend" is OVER.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 26 Sep 2015, 01:15

Ive just finished working at a really popular event with a no borders theme, and even a no borders stall selling books on no borders, and the irony was it was surrounded by a wall and fences, two secruity companys, daily changes of wristbands for extra security everyone counted in and out .

Otherwise it just couldnt function did the no borders people see the irony no they sadly didnt, neither will biff