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That?s quite clear but the point I was getting at was it appears that you consider all secret planning to be a conspiracy. Whereas, for a plan to have the classification ?conspiracy? the plan would need to have an illegal act as part of it.Bozzio wrote:
My reference to men in boardrooms was not a discussion about meetings between civil engineers but about politicians plotting illegal acts.
(Give me strength!)Bozzio wrote:
My reference to men in boardrooms was not a discussion about meetings between civil engineers but about politicians plotting illegal acts.
isenhand replied;
That?s quite clear but the point I was getting at was it appears that you consider all secret planning to be a conspiracy. Whereas, for a plan to have the classification ?conspiracy? the plan would need to have an illegal act as part of it.
You got it! Well done. We got there in the end.Bozzio wrote:'Plotting illegal acts' must by definition hint that we are discussing conspiracies here and not the taste of cheese.
Of course, to be effective you need to profile people before they get to the airport, in case they just turn up at the last minute and buy a ticket. But doesn't that mean you need to profile everybody...? Or at least everybody with a passport? It's understandable there'll be outrage at profiling on ethnic/religious grounds, so maybe they'll check up on our credit/debit card purchases, mobile phone records, library use and website visits? Or maybe I'm just being paranoid?UK transport officials are said to be considering introducing passenger profiling on grounds including ethnic origin and religion.
Supporters say it could cut the delays caused by universal security checks after the uncovering of a possible plot to bring down planes - opponents say it will cause resentment and improving technology is more important.
Passenger profiling would see certain travellers designated for more rigorous security checks before a flight. People behaving suspiciously or with an unusual travel pattern could be selected but racial or religious factors could also form part of the criteria.
but then again, the Americans have someone who could help out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_AgencyIt's crap. Wont work. Has been shown again and again. A lot of people will get their integrity violated, but it wont improve security one bit.mikepepler wrote:And here's the next countermeasure... profilng:
This is my worry though - not whether it will work or not, but that this kind of thing will get done anyway, as it might be thought to prove useful for other purposes... leaving us with a loss of privacy.MacG wrote:It's crap. Wont work. Has been shown again and again. A lot of people will get their integrity violated, but it wont improve security one bit.mikepepler wrote:And here's the next countermeasure... profilng:
I imagine smaller planes are less efficient, so this is a more wasteful way to travel. I'm not sure it would really offset the fuel not used by cancelled flights, but it just goes to show these things are never as simple as they might seem...Flight delays and cancellations at London's airports in recent days have sent demand for executive jets and other private charter aircraft soaring. Private jet operators and airports which cater to the business market saw bookings double in the days after Thursday's security alert.
Security for private jet flights is equally stringent, but less crowded airports make for a quicker getaway.The private jet market has been growing steadily in recent years.
This is the way it will go - eventually 'private' jets will be the only ones in the skies, for those who can afford it.mikepepler wrote:If you thought all the flight cancellations were reducing fuel usage, think again: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4798935.stmI imagine smaller planes are less efficient, so this is a more wasteful way to travel. I'm not sure it would really offset the fuel not used by cancelled flights, but it just goes to show these things are never as simple as they might seem...Flight delays and cancellations at London's airports in recent days have sent demand for executive jets and other private charter aircraft soaring. Private jet operators and airports which cater to the business market saw bookings double in the days after Thursday's security alert.
Security for private jet flights is equally stringent, but less crowded airports make for a quicker getaway.The private jet market has been growing steadily in recent years.
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
Use an anonymizer service. This one worked for the NY Times story: http://www.proxy7.com/biffvernon wrote:Ooooh, it's getting like China. We're not allowed to read the New York Times now.
http://cryptome.org/nyt-ukterror.htm
