Moderator: Peak Moderation
Yes. Even wind/solar produce emissions if you count construction costs.emordnilap wrote:On-site, that is.UndercoverElephant wrote:But it is also the only type of energy which produces no greenhouse emissions
No need to sign up - membership is compulsory. You're already sitting in the seat next to me and they don't sell return tickets.biffvernon wrote:Oo, yes please. Where do I sign up?UndercoverElephant wrote:Unless you are an outright green anarchist who wants to see modern civilisation brought crashing down as soon as possible,
emordnilap wrote:No need to sign up - membership is compulsory. You're already sitting in the seat next to me and they don't sell return tickets.biffvernon wrote:Oo, yes please. Where do I sign up?UndercoverElephant wrote:Unless you are an outright green anarchist who wants to see modern civilisation brought crashing down as soon as possible,
You might have to accept that billions of people aren't going to survive the crash, Biff. That's the trouble with anarchy - it works very well, but only at hunter-gatherer population levels.biffvernon wrote:Oo, yes please. Where do I sign up?UndercoverElephant wrote:Unless you are an outright green anarchist who wants to see modern civilisation brought crashing down as soon as possible,
I smell a windup and suspect people have been round and roundUndercoverElephant wrote:
Unless you are an outright green anarchist who wants to see modern civilisation brought crashing down as soon as possible, I think you have to accept that there is no realistic alternative to building new nuclear power plants.
I'm not trying to wind anybody up. I was anti-nuclear for many years and all I am saying now is that if we are serious about reducing our dependence on fossil fuels (= no more gas or coal plants) then the choice is between nuclear and the lights going out whenever the weather isn't right. Personally speaking, I couldn't give a crap if the lights go out. I really am an anarchist. I'm just not sure all of the anti-nuclear people here would also qualify...Roger Adair wrote:I smell a windup and suspect people have been round and roundUndercoverElephant wrote:
Unless you are an outright green anarchist who wants to see modern civilisation brought crashing down as soon as possible, I think you have to accept that there is no realistic alternative to building new nuclear power plants.
this one on numerous occasions already. One only has to think about
the less than glorius history of Windscale/Sellafield to see where the
nuclear dream leads......
Come to think of it wasn't there a big fuss some time ago about
Japanese fuel rods and BNFL?
The Guardian - 16/03/11
Freezing winds, hail storms and thick snow are the latest threats to 430,000 beleaguered survivors of northern Japan's week-long cascade of disasters.
After a massive earthquake, devastating tsunami and nuclear crisis, the homeless face icy weather and temperatures are forecast to plunge to –5C.
Many lack blankets, food and fuel, raising the risk of a quiet but deadly humanitarian crisis among refugees, even as the world's attention is transfixed by the unfolding nuclear emergency in Fukushima.
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Tragic.Aurora wrote:The Guardian - 16/03/11
Freezing winds, hail storms and thick snow are the latest threats to 430,000 beleaguered survivors of northern Japan's week-long cascade of disasters.
After a massive earthquake, devastating tsunami and nuclear crisis, the homeless face icy weather and temperatures are forecast to plunge to –5C.
Many lack blankets, food and fuel, raising the risk of a quiet but deadly humanitarian crisis among refugees, even as the world's attention is transfixed by the unfolding nuclear emergency in Fukushima.
Article continues ...
"The human spirit can endure a sick body, but who can bear a crushed spirit?" - Proverbs 18:14
Maybe that's why the Japs have been cramming them in so tight.biffvernon wrote:Japanese fuel rods and BNFL? Oh yes. We were going to process them and it all went pear-shaped. Maybe that's why they've got such a lot of it lying about. Hasn't anybody solved the nuclear waste disposal problem yet?
The situation at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has become extremely unnerving. The Tokyo Electric Power Company has now admitted that the spent fuel rods could go critical - that is, a nuclear chain reaction could restart.
We have known since yesterday that the reactors themselves were coming under control, and that the biggest threat came from the spent fuel ponds, where the water level has fallen and temperatures have risen. That could lead to the stored fuel rods breaking open, releasing their radioactive contents.
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
Pretty funny, probably because you're not Japanese.Totally_Baffled wrote:Christ I dont know what is going to do me in first, a lethal dose of Japanese radiation, or and overdose of 'anti nuclear' smugness!
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
OI!!!Andy Hunt wrote:Maybe that's why the Japs have been cramming them in so tight.biffvernon wrote:Japanese fuel rods and BNFL? Oh yes. We were going to process them and it all went pear-shaped. Maybe that's why they've got such a lot of it lying about. Hasn't anybody solved the nuclear waste disposal problem yet?
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/short ... e-fue.html
The situation at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has become extremely unnerving. The Tokyo Electric Power Company has now admitted that the spent fuel rods could go critical - that is, a nuclear chain reaction could restart.
We have known since yesterday that the reactors themselves were coming under control, and that the biggest threat came from the spent fuel ponds, where the water level has fallen and temperatures have risen. That could lead to the stored fuel rods breaking open, releasing their radioactive contents.
