USA presidential elections 2016

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 02 Nov 2016, 16:42

Lord Beria3 wrote:Greer also thinks that it is a very real possibility.

Speaking of the AD, quote:

That consensus, for those of my readers who haven’t been paying attention, supports massive giveaways to big corporations and the already affluent, punitive austerity for the poor, malign neglect for the nation’s infrastructure, the destruction of the American working class through federal subsidies for automation and offshoring and tacit acceptance of mass illegal immigration as a means of driving down wages, and a monomaniacally confrontational foreign policy obsessed with the domination of the Middle East by raw military force.

Not that different to which nation?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 02 Nov 2016, 16:55

Why would the American working class vote for Clinton? Especially in the areas that have been savagely de-industrialized on the back of policies of which Clinton and the sections of society she truly represents have been fully complicit?

Why would anyone, with a view on who is the most likely to lead their country into ever more disastrous military adventurism in other countries, vote for Clinton, who has had a direct hand in many of the most recent of those disasters?

Why would anyone who wishes to a see a de-escalation of a dangerously renewed Cold-War between Russia and the US (getting hotter by the day) vote for Clinton who is the "front-man" for the very same corporate capitalist class who are hell bent on renewing that cold war?

Why would anyone, who wishes to see the whole stinking pile of debt-ridden, corrupt, BAU overturned, but who is left with absolutely no realistic prospect whatsoever of that with Clinton, vote for Clinton?

None of this is to endorse Trump. He is a crude nationalist and all of the things, at a personal level, that are easy to dislike. But, he is not a cause, he is an effect.

The imbecilic liberal left, who, in the greatest of ironies, have allowed themselves to be aligned with the interests of the corporate capitalist elites, have absolutely no cultural currency left at all with the mass of the population, both in America as well as across much of the Western world.

We are reaping what we have sown.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 02 Nov 2016, 18:03

Fantastic post.

I speak with some regret to say that the Left is dying.

It has aligned itself with the most predatory elements of the neoliberal ruling elite and destroyed its ccredibility with working voters.

Post by **clv101** » 02 Nov 2016, 19:23

Little John wrote:Why would the American working class vote for Clinton? Especially in the areas that have been savagely de-industrialized on the back of policies of which Clinton and the sections of society she truly represents have been fully complicit?

Why would anyone, with a view on who is the most likely to lead their country into ever more disastrous military adventurism in other countries, vote for Clinton, who has had a direct hand in many of the most recent of those disasters?

Why would anyone who wishes to a see a de-escalation of a dangerously renewed Cold-War between Russia and the US (getting hotter by the day) vote for Clinton who is the "front-man" for the very same corporate capitalist class who are hell bent on renewing that cold war?

Why would anyone, who wishes to see the whole stinking pile of debt-ridden, corrupt, BAU overturned, but who is left with absolutely no realistic prospect whatsoever of that with Clinton, vote for Clinton?

None of this is to endorse Trump. He is a crude nationalist and all of the things, at a personal level, that are easy to dislike. But, he is not a cause, he is an effect.

The imbecilic liberal left, who, in the greatest of ironies, have allowed themselves to be aligned with the interests of the corporate capitalist elites, have absolutely no cultural currency left at all with the mass of the population, both in America as well as across much of the Western world.

We are reaping what we have sown.

Absolutely. Clinton is a spectacularly bad choice for the Democrats. Sanders also had his 'electability problems'. But pretty much any low profile senator or governor would have been a easy win over Trump.

I genuinely think Trump is the least worse choice - in part because he'll be hopelessly ineffective and likely not even last the term.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 02 Nov 2016, 20:03

clv101 - I think that you are under-estimating Trump's abilities. He may surprise on the upside, if he wins the election.

During my investigation into the global implications of a Trump presidency, I came to realize that his instincts are actually better attuned the realities of a country which is in the early stages of the collapse of its global empire. Greer has written very well on this subject.

If Trump is able to implement his agenda (e.g. grand reset with Russia, trade barriers to rebuild American industry and restrict immigration from a increasingly destabilized Muslim world) he will give the American empire some extra time.

https://forecastingintelligence.org/201 ... residency/

https://forecastingintelligence.org/201 ... y-america/

Regarding the election, Nadeem, who successfully forecast the Leave victory and the Tories 2015 majority, has now called it for Trump by 51% of the vote (ignoring third party candidates).

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article57039.html

Scott Adams, is also predicting a Trump victory, in his case by a landslide;

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1526443760 ... e-week-out

The LA times poll (which was one of the most accurate in 2012 in predicting the result), latest polling suggests that Trump is ahead by 5.4%.

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-preside ... dashboard/

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p ... story.html

Here is a link to why the poll's methodology is different to other polling and how effective it was in 2012.

Overall, i think that Trump is, at this point in the race, going to win the election.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 02 Nov 2016, 20:29

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... dream.html

Greer's latest on the US elections. An incredible read.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 02 Nov 2016, 21:11

Lord Beria3 wrote:Scott Adams, is also predicting a Trump victory, in his case by a landslide;

Scott Adams has one of the best analyses as to reality, but I don't think his conclusion is right.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 02 Nov 2016, 21:27

Lord Beria3 wrote:http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... dream.html

Greer's latest on the US elections. An incredible read.

Indeed it is. I have been reading Greer for a few months now. He properly gets it.

Post by **clv101** » 02 Nov 2016, 21:52

Lord Beria3 wrote:If Trump is able to implement his agenda....

That'll be his issue. He doesn't have the political machine, connections, infrastructure etc behind him. The office of the president just isn't all that powerful when you're on your own - which he will be in Washington.

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 02 Nov 2016, 22:31

I am unsure how he would get Mexico to build a wall to keep Mexicans in Mexico. (that is without paying them to do this).

Perhaps it is some form of hypnosis.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 02 Nov 2016, 22:46

Trump has laid out how he intends to coerce Mexico in to paying for it:

".......Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore......."

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 03 Nov 2016, 06:48

I accept that that is a response, but it is not a response that will get Mexico to pay billions. All it would do is create a strop.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 03 Nov 2016, 07:19

clv101 wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:If Trump is able to implement his agenda....
That'll be his issue. He doesn't have the political machine, connections, infrastructure etc behind him. The office of the president just isn't all that powerful when you're on your own - which he will be in Washington.

One of the reasons I focused on the global implications of Trump winning is that presidents have much more leeway in foreign policy than domestic.

Trump can and could force through significant changes in foreign policy. With trade its going to be much tougher as congress will need to approve trade tariffs etc but let see, Democratic factions may work with Trump on trade because they know what a hot topic it was for their own core supporters.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 03 Nov 2016, 14:14

Never underestimating your enemies may be wise, but thinking trump can do anything good for the US is naive. As his biographer said, he is like a child with nuclear weapons.

Read more..........

The only thing more stupid than trump are the people who vote for him.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 03 Nov 2016, 20:03

woodburner wrote:Never underestimating your enemies may be wise, but thinking trump can do anything good for the US is naive. As his biographer said, he is like a child with nuclear weapons.

Read more..........

The only thing more stupid than trump are the people who vote for him.

Seriously? Have you read Greer's post yet? if you haven't, please do, as he explains why millions of desperate working class Americans will do exactly that.

Insulting the American public is patronizing and arrogant. It seems to be the only thing left for those on the Left.