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http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... st-debate/
Republican presidential nominee continues to build his lead in the Los Angeles Times’ daily tracking poll, beating Democrat Hillary Clinton by over five percent on Friday.

Trump leads with 47.3 percent support, while Clinton lags at 41.7 percent. The poll surveyed 2,560 eligible voters.
One poll which suggests Trump has a healthy lead.

Personally, if you take the poll on polls (where Clinton has a 3% lead over Trump), assume a 3 to4% Shy Trump supporters factor, that means Trump has a tiny edge over Clinton, post debate.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5491.html

Right now, I would say the election would be basically neck to neck, once you take in those voters who don't want to admit they plan to vote for Trump.
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I have said before that polls are notoriously unreliable. I don't understand why people quote polls which after the fact, turn out to be mostly inaccurate.
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Every time I see Trump I become more convinced that he has a huge wager on Clinton to win. The man really is an idiot, his enormous ego constantly takes control of his mouth. His body language is of a man trying to teach maths to a drunk, which tells how he seems to regard everyone else.

Sadly, I think he might win. People don't like him, but they might just vote for him in order to screw up the system and force a re-think of US politics.
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Catweazle wrote:Every time I see Trump I become more convinced that he has a huge wager on Clinton to win. The man really is an idiot, his enormous ego constantly takes control of his mouth. His body language is of a man trying to teach maths to a drunk, which tells how he seems to regard everyone else.

Sadly, I think he might win. People don't like him, but they might just vote for him in order to screw up the system and force a re-think of US politics.
I've wondered much the same myself.
Some of the establishment are beginning to panic thinking he might actually win.
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Trump's biggest problem is his massive ego and it could still stop him winning the presidency.

The mail is reporting that Farage has flown into New York to improve the debating skills of Trump prior to the next debate.

That is definitely good news for the Trump campaign. Whatever your political views of Farage, he is a good debater and knows how to harness the populist anger of the masses. Thats what Trump needs to do if he is to win the election.

I have posted my view of the 1st US debate on my blog here;

https://forecastingintelligence.org/
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Lord Beria3 wrote:Trump's biggest problem is his massive ego and it could still stop him winning the presidency.

The mail is reporting that Farage has flown into New York to improve the debating skills of Trump prior to the next debate.

That is definitely good news for the Trump campaign. Whatever your political views of Farage, he is a good debater and knows how to harness the populist anger of the masses. Thats what Trump needs to do if he is to win the election.

I have posted my view of the 1st US debate on my blog here;

https://forecastingintelligence.org/
I don't know as Trump has the ability to take Farage's advise or anybody else's. And I don't know as appearing to have foreign coaches would sit well with the voters.
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Doubt the average voter is such a news junkie to even realize that Farage is discreetly providing advice.

Trump DOES listen to his advisers when he wishes. He agreed to become more message disciplined after the khangate disaster and that is why he recovered in the polls from early August to end of September. Whether he can adapt at this late stage to go on to win is a huge question though.

Scott Adams puts it well;

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1506030957 ... k-of-trump
Trump offers America an entrepreneur’s profile of risk, whereas Clinton would be more like investing in a CD at your bank. Which is better? The answer for you probably depends on how old you are, how selfish you are, and how much money you have.

If things are going well for you and your family, you probably don’t want to rock the boat. In that case, Clinton is a good choice for you. But if you are young, or things are not working out well for you and your family, it would be rational to accept higher risk with the hope of getting a bigger/faster improvement.

But how big is the Trump risk to the economy and the country in general? Let’s talk about how Trump has managed risk in the past. That’s the best way to predict how he will do it in the future.

Diversification: Rule #1 for an investment portfolio is diversification. Trump probably wasn’t sufficiently diversified early in his real estate career, but now he has his name on about 500 entities and he has succeeded across multiple fields. He understands diversification. That’s good.

A-B Testing: One of the best ways to manage risk is to try things on a small scale and only double-down if the test is a success. We see Trump trying out different Linguistic Kill Shots to see what sticks, changing campaign staff as needed, and employing different campaign strategies depending on the situation. We observe him being decisive when things don’t work (firing people) and we watch him pivot quickly based on what he learns from testing. That suggests a “systems” type of mind, as opposed to a “goal” mentality. You can read more about that distinction in my book, which you might enjoy because it has pages. The summary is that systems-thinkers manage risk better.

Licensing: A big part of Trump’s business involves licensing his name. I know a lot about licensing because I have done if for years with Dilbert. Licensing is a great way to manage risk because I get paid in advance even if the product that Dilbert’s image is licensed to adorn does not work out. Trump does the same. He gets paid even if the project with his name on it fails. That’s good risk management.

Likewise, Trump almost certainly negotiates for a lump sum advance payment from publishers for his books. Trump gets paid even if the publisher loses money. That’s good risk management.

Likewise also, The Apprentice probably paid Trump a guaranteed minimum no matter the ratings. And if the show had failed, Trump would not have any personal investment in it. He only had upside potential.

Two Ways to Win: We often see Trump choose strategies that have two ways to win and no way to lose. That’s the best risk management of all. For example, when Trump warned that Iran should release American prisoners before he gets elected, he created two ways to win and no way to lose. If the prisoners were released (and they were), Trump could claim his threat was effective. (He did.) If Iran kept the prisoners, Trump could say the United States needs a bad-ass President like him to deal with Iran.

Bankruptcies: When the general public hears that Trump had several bankruptcies (out of hundreds of projects) they think that means he did something wrong. Business people see a different picture. They see a diversified portfolio of projects that are wisely siloed into their own corporate entities so some can fail without taking the others with them. That’s good risk management because one would naturally expect several failures out of hundreds of projects.

Marriages: Trump is married to his third wife and still has good relationships with his exes. Apparently Trump had good prenups, and good lawyers. He managed the risk of divorce better than 90% of the people I know.

Alcohol and Drugs: Trump has never had a drink of alcohol or an illegal drug, because of the risk. If you have ever consumed alcohol or taken illegal drugs, you have a far higher tolerance for risk than Trump. He removed those risks from his life. And those are some big risks.

Seeing the Future: One way to reduce risk is to predict the future better than those around you. We know that Trump went all-in on his run for president this time, but in prior election years he dropped out early. Apparently he made the right decision this time because he could see himself making it all the way.

We have also witnessed Trump using unorthodox campaign strategies that almost everyone else in the world thought would fail. But apparently Trump predicted the future better than the pundits. His methods have worked.

Trump hasn’t predicted the future correctly every time. As noted, several of his projects did not work out. But evidently he expected there could be some losers among his projects because he set them up as separate entities that could fail on their own without dragging down the rest.

Listening to Advice: One of the criticisms we heard about Trump early in the campaign is that he wouldn’t listen to experts. But now we have lots of examples in which he has done exactly that. His entire campaign has transformed in the past six weeks. We watched Trump assess the changing election dynamics, take advice from advisors, adapt his approach, and spike in the polls.

Trump is also good at firing people. The smartest person I know told me that the most important skill of a leader is firing, not hiring. No one is smart enough to hire the right people every time, so firing is the more valuable skill. Trump apparently has that skill. Consider how hard it was to fire his longtime friend Corey Lewandowski, and later Paul Manafort. Trump pulled the trigger both times. And both moves proved to be helpful.

Trump’s Ego: Trump’s showmanship and branding comes off as ego, and narcissism, and that can be scary to the public. You want to know your President is making decisions based on what is good for the country, and not what is good for the President’s ego. But Trump’s appearance on Jimmy Fallon went a long way toward changing perceptions about his ego. Trump let Fallon mess up his famous hair on TV, and it humanized Trump. We watched Trump put his ego aside with no real effort.

We also see Trump doing more outreach to the African-American community, toning down his rhetoric (mostly) and generally doing what the public has been asking him to do. That suggests a candidate who has control of his ego. He listens to the people and gives them what they want.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:The mail is reporting that Farage has flown into New York to improve the debating skills of Trump prior to the next debate.
That must be a line from a comedian.
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I would say it is irrefutable that Farage is, whatever one may think of his politics, a very good public debater.
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They had the vice presidential debate the other night.I thought Pence won it handily. Kaine came off as a rude jerk that constantly interrupted Pence mid answer. He also had obviously memorized a bunch of zinger lines that he came out with even if the question asked had nothing to do with them.
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Do those here who think it's ok for trump to be president still think so?

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That is a silly question. A less silly question is do people on here think that Trump is ,more or less likely to be a precursor to WW3 than Clinton? For myself, I think the answer is less.

Jill Stein also thinks this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le-V-Q ... e=youtu.be
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Trump is a loose cannon. Unpredictable. Clinton is a cannon pointed at anything deemed to be an enemy of the US establishment. Predictably war-mongering. And pro-Israel.
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woodburner wrote:Do those here who think it's ok for trump to be president still think so?

Read here
I don't know as anybody here thinks Trump would be an OK president. The most I can say for him is that he is less evil then Hillary but that is a pretty low bar to clear.
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