Brexit process

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 23 Jul 2019, 09:16

Why can't Farage work with the new SDP? He would get some explicit policies and a more central target [if you believe politics is a left-right line].

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 23 Jul 2019, 12:06

Johnson wins with more than twice the votes of Hunt

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 23 Jul 2019, 12:06

Boris by 2 to 1

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 23 Jul 2019, 14:25

PS_RalphW wrote:Boris by 2 to 1

Having been away the entire time the Brits were having their Brexit moment, what is the insider story on the whole affair?

Is it really that bad of a thing, deciding that you don't want to be involved with the folks on the continent anymore? It makes the American news all the time, it struck me as pretty simple....folks voted to get out...now they keep chickening out on the whole idea.

Isn't doing what your countrymen vote for a core precept in Britain like it is in America?

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 23 Jul 2019, 15:03

In short RGR, 52% of the thickest, most xenophobic and racist people in the country voted to Leave the EU after a campaign of lies and untruths, which all the Leavers believed. But the nation has been saved from that stupidity by the 48% of Remainers who are so enlightened and intelligent, and of course know what is best for the country, who have managed to keep us from the brink for the last three years. Those wonderful Remainers now think that sufficient of the 52% of Leavers will have changed their minds so they are proposing that we should have a "People's Vote", which is obviously superior to a referendum, to overturn the result of the referendum and keep us in the EU on what ever terms the EU might decide.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 23 Jul 2019, 17:19

Just received an email for 38 degrees bemoaning the fact that Boris Johnson, "the man who spent his entire campaign talking up a no deal Brexit".

These people couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag! They've spent the last three years talking down a no deal which has guaranteed us a bad deal. The first law of bargaining for a deal is you talk up the no deal strategy so that the opposition know that you're prepared for it. If you're prepared for it it is a distinct possibility that you might go for it rather than a poor deal so you are offered a better deal. If you're got no alternative to a poor deal that is what you get and what we got.

And Remainers think that we are the thick ones! But then they have only ever wanted to stay so they have gone all out to scupper any sort of deal. And they put the blame on Mrs May.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 23 Jul 2019, 17:22

Comments on Boris on Facebook

"Have you met him Kev ? or do you believe the bollocks spouted by our media and the way they wish to portray him ? - People i know that know him well talk of a bright man with vision and a good sense of humour who is very switched on - i am more inclined to believe those people - some of which are good friends and one of which is my wife whose opinion i of course take note of, than the hate campaigners."

There's always the other side to a story. Could that be true of Trump as well? I doubt it!

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 23 Jul 2019, 19:26

fuzzy wrote:Why can't Farage work with the new SDP? He would get some explicit policies and a more central target [if you believe politics is a left-right line].

Farage isn't going to work with anyone. He thinks he can achieve his goals on his own.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 23 Jul 2019, 20:19

Well, Boris won.

For months I have been waiting to vote for him - but seeing him in real life at the local hustings put an end to that.

I surprised myself by voting for Hunt.

Even 'tho Hunt lost I feel happy not to have supported Boris.

There is "something of the night" lurking behind those dark eyes.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 23 Jul 2019, 20:28

kenneal - lagger wrote:In short RGR, 52% of the thickest, most xenophobic and racist people in the country voted to Leave the EU after a campaign of lies and untruths, which all the Leavers believed. But the nation has been saved from that stupidity by the 48% of Remainers who are so enlightened and intelligent, and of course know what is best for the country, who have managed to keep us from the brink for the last three years. Those wonderful Remainers now think that sufficient of the 52% of Leavers will have changed their minds so they are proposing that we should have a "People's Vote", which is obviously superior to a referendum, to overturn the result of the referendum and keep us in the EU on what ever terms the EU might decide.

You really think that poorly of a majority of your country? Has it gotten that ugly? I mean, I know backwoods hillbillies and racists, scumbags of various nationalities, politically correct liberal anti-gun down with the Constitution snowflakes and I don't dismiss them the way you just did for voting for something, one way or another. Not even Don the Con!

Sarcasm is hard in writing sometimes, but perhaps that is what you were leaning towards here?

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 23 Jul 2019, 22:22

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: it struck me as pretty simple....folks voted to get out...now they keep chickening out on the whole idea.

The rural areas voted to Leave.

The sophisticated Londoners, politicians, civil servants and the mega rich have other ideas.

They also control the political system which they are using to block democracy.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 23 Jul 2019, 23:49

Vortex2 wrote:
There is "something of the night" lurking behind those dark eyes.

Yeah, but unlike in the case of Michael Howard, with Johnson it is a party.

Amber Rudd was bang on the money: "He's the life and soul of the party, but he's not the one you want driving you home at the end of it."

Lots of metaphor and meaning in there, though some of it might be unintentional.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 24 Jul 2019, 00:49

Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: it struck me as pretty simple....folks voted to get out...now they keep chickening out on the whole idea.
The rural areas voted to Leave.

The sophisticated Londoners, politicians, civil servants and the mega rich have other ideas.

They also control the political system which they are using to block democracy.

Do the rural areas have an honest beef, are they being dis-proportionally harmed by an association with the EU?

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 24 Jul 2019, 06:29

Everybody in the EU is regulated by an unelected commission. From that point of view, we get what weâ€™re given, like it or not. There is no way to get rid of the commission, and elect another one. That is why the vote resulted in a â€œleaveâ€� decision. The referendum was presented as a democratic decider, â€œoops, the vote went the wrong way, so lets have another vote and hope you get it right next time. Then weâ€™ll have all the power we need to do exactly as we wantâ€�.

Given the rural areas voted to leave, then yes, they are disproportionately harmed, as TPTB are attempting to disregard the decision.

Post by **clv101** » 24 Jul 2019, 07:01

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: it struck me as pretty simple....folks voted to get out...now they keep chickening out on the whole idea.
The rural areas voted to Leave.

The sophisticated Londoners, politicians, civil servants and the mega rich have other ideas.

They also control the political system which they are using to block democracy.
Do the rural areas have an honest beef, are they being dis-proportionally harmed by an association with the EU?

It's complicated, multiple levels of real and perceived benefit and harm. Much of a 'harm' actually coming from Westminster decisions rather than Brussels, but the media creates the impression the EU is the blame. Simply looking at the money, poorer rural areas benefit from a lot from EU spending.