Brexit process

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 07 May 2019, 21:50

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pa ... &FORM=VIRE

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 08 May 2019, 08:33

Little John wrote:We've had approximately three years of your kind of pathetic, sneering, class ridden, infantile smears of Brexit voters.

In case you hadn't noticed, they don't work anymore.

Plus f***ing one!

Cubes, your sneering rant was grotesque.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 08 May 2019, 10:38

Two new polls out:

EU Parliament Voting Intention: LAB: 33% CON: 20% BXP: 20% LDM: 7% UKIP 5% CHUK 5% SNP: 4% GRN: 4% Via @Panelbase, 18-24 Apr.

Westminster Voting Intention: LAB: 36% (-4) CON: 27% (-13) BXP: 13% (+13) LDM: 8% (=) UKIP 5% (=) CHUK 4% (+4) GRN: 3% (=) Via @Panelbase, 18-24 Apr.

Anyone claiming this is a catastrophe for Labour is not paying attention. That vote share in a general election delivers a comfortable Labour majority.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 08 May 2019, 13:30

Lord Beria3 wrote:
Little John wrote:We've had approximately three years of your kind of pathetic, sneering, class ridden, infantile smears of Brexit voters.

In case you hadn't noticed, they don't work anymore.
Plus f***ing one!

Cubes, your sneering rant was grotesque.

I really can't make up my mind whether LB3 reminds me most of Statler or Waldorf.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 08 May 2019, 14:07

cubes wrote:Why would it collapse? .

And we Brexiteers are supposed to be the ignorant ones!

Have you not noticed the tension in the EU economy between the northern states and the southern ones? The banking systems in Greece and Italy are near collapse with unsustainable levels of unpayable debt. The Eurozone is run for the benefit of Germany with southern states, among others, and the UK for instance, in different stages of economic cycles. The one interest rate doesn't suit all as Greece found out a few years ago.

Howeverr, if it does we'd likely be equally hard hit economically in or out.

We would be harder hit if we stayed in as our economy would be milked to bail out other countries before the inevitable crash. Staying out would mean that only part of our economy would be hit at one time. Staying in we are also be forced into "Ever Greater Union" which is just a euphemism for joining the eurozone in a few years. Now that would be an economic disaster for us and make the austerity that we experienced over the last few years look like a walk in the park in comparrison.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 08 May 2019, 21:08

Latest polling...

https://www.politico.eu/2019-european-e ... d-kingdom/

Brexit Party in the lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... l_election

Tories slumping badly with the Brexit Party surging.

Post by **clv101** » 08 May 2019, 21:43

Lord Beria3 wrote:Latest polling...

https://www.politico.eu/2019-european-e ... d-kingdom/

Brexit Party in the lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... l_election

Tories slumping badly with the Brexit Party surging.

First point from that poll is surely that Labour win, and maintain the 20 seats they had in 2014.

Secondly, the combined vote share (seats) of Tory & UKIP in 2014 EU election was 50.08% (43). That poll is suggesting the combined vote share (seats) of Tory, UKIP & Brexit Party will only be 45.14% (32)

Remarkable! If the trend indicated by that poll is right it would be a major blow for the Euroskeptics.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 09 May 2019, 12:49

Eurointelligence latest...

https://www.eurointelligence.com/public.html

It is astonishing that the UK newspapers have not made more yesterday and this morning of two of the most sensational football games of all time. The late comebacks of Liverpool on Tuesday and Tottenham last night has given us an all-English European cup final - Brexit versus Brexit. Theresa May yesterday compared herself with Liverpool in the spectacularly clumsy way only she is capable of. Mercifully for her, that did not get much traction either.

But, beneath the radar of a media suffering from attention deficit, important political developments are taking place. May yesterday appeared to have a cut a private deal with Graham Brady, chairman of the Tory Party's 1922 committee of backbenchers. As part of it she will bring the second reading of the Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill before the House of Commons before the European elections on May 23 - i.e. in less than two weeks. This time we agree with Robert Robert Peston's analysis: either the bill passes, and she resigns; or the bill does not pass, and she resigns. They've got her, finally. Peston believes the Tories will probably initiate leadership proceedings in the beginning of June - a process that would take about two months from start to finish.

We are less confident than him about the exact timetable, but agree that May's political time is now drawing to a close. Her last chance of a dignified exit would be a deal with Corbyn. Expectations are extremely low. There are media reports that Labour is about to pull the plug on the still-ongoing talks because of a lack of progress. But, as we keep writing, both Corbyn and May are cornered and those who are hell-bent against a compromise are in a minority on both sides. One needs to consider that, by the time the Commons votes on the bill, Brexit and May's future will be disentangled. We will be in a different scenario. Two weeks is a very, very long time in politics.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 09 May 2019, 18:20

May yesterday appeared to have a cut a private deal with Graham Brady, chairman of the Tory Party's 1922 committee of backbenchers. As part of it she will bring the second reading of the Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill before the House of Commons before the European elections on May 23 - i.e. in less than two weeks. This time we agree with Robert Robert Peston's analysis: either the bill passes, and she resigns; or the bill does not pass, and she resigns. They've got her, finally.

First I've heard of it. Got any other sources?

We can only pray it is true. If there's one thing almost everybody in the country ought to be able to agree on at this point, it is that Theresa May needs to go. Her final and absolute humiliation in the eyes of history will be that her departure will indeed mark the beginning of the end of the deadlock. She claims it isn't about her, but the truth is she is the lynchpin in the deadlock. If she goes then the tories have to choose between allowing the membership to select a brexiteer as leader, or rig the leadership election again. Both routes lead to a general election, probably quite quickly.

cubes · Post by **cubes** » 09 May 2019, 21:20

Lord Beria3 wrote:
Little John wrote:We've had approximately three years of your kind of pathetic, sneering, class ridden, infantile smears of Brexit voters.

In case you hadn't noticed, they don't work anymore.
Plus f***ing one!

Cubes, your sneering rant was grotesque.

It'll also be true in 5 years time if we no-deal brexit.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 10 May 2019, 08:23

Wrong Cubes.

Greer has already written that a no deal Brexit would be good for the UK.

careful_eugene · Post by **careful_eugene** » 10 May 2019, 09:20

Lord Beria3 wrote:Wrong Cubes.

Greer has already written that a no deal Brexit would be good for the UK.

Could you provide a link to this please, I can't find it on his website.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 10 May 2019, 13:26

Lord Beria3 wrote:Wrong Cubes.

Greer has already written that a no deal Brexit would be good for the UK.

and of course anything written by this apparently infallible oracle and font of all wisdom, that you seem to worship uncritically, must be true!

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 11 May 2019, 18:37

Latest poll

European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 34% (+6)
LAB: 21% (-7)
LDEM: 12% (+5)
CON: 11% (-3)
GRN: 8% (+2)
UKIP: 4% (+1)
CHUK: 3% (-4)

OpiniumResearch, 08 May

Hahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tories are so f*cked. What I want to know is who are the 11% of the electorate still planning to vote for them in these euroelections. Also CHUK on 3% is highly amusing. Not even a flash in the pan. Two weeks ago they were justifying refusing to do a Remain Pact with them because their intention was to "replace them". Mr Ummuna needs to find himself a new career.

cubes · Post by **cubes** » 11 May 2019, 19:04

As always, it will be interesting to compare the polls to the actual results.