Dieoff starting in Africa

[UndercoverElephant]

I did read but your picture summed it up, a desert caused by deforestation and people still out gathering wood and green wood with leaves on it with a dead animal in the foreground .

Oh and at least 5 children in the picture symbolic of the overshoot and overpopulation .

Also the pictures provided by oxfarm a western charity thats keeping a unnatural population of Somalis alive in that desert they have helped create, knowing full well that in the future without cheap fossil fuels we wont be able to support them, and the whole lot will die or migrate, thereby dragging down more communities.

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[biffvernon]

You have to read. Not just look at the picture

The production of charcoal for export has led to widespread deforestation in this nation situated in the horn of Africa, so it doesn't need a rocket scientist to put the pieces of the puzzle together to understand why there is this devastating drought on the land leading to this heart wrenching famine among the people.

Yes, that's the point I made on page 1 of this thread. Exploitation of a natural resource by outsiders for the benefit of outsiders tends to be a pre-cursor for societal collapse of indigenous populations. Other outsiders then blame the indigenous people for having babies.

[UndercoverElephant]

You have to read. Not just look at the picture

The production of charcoal for export has led to widespread deforestation in this nation situated in the horn of Africa, so it doesn't need a rocket scientist to put the pieces of the puzzle together to understand why there is this devastating drought on the land leading to this heart wrenching famine among the people.

Yes, that's the point I made on page 1 of this thread. Exploitation of a natural resource by outsiders for the benefit of outsiders tends to be a pre-cursor for societal collapse of indigenous populations. Other outsiders then blame the indigenous people for having babies.

So buying what people offer to sell you is "exploitation"?

What do you think the word "trade" means, and how does it differ from "exploitation"?

[biffvernon]

There's obviously a continuum between fair trade and exploitation, but moving into somebody else's land, chopping the trees down, converting them to charcoal and selling the product abroad for one's own profit without compensation to the indigenous peoples whose survival depended on the forest's survival seems to me to be at the exploitation end of the spectrum.

If you give me one of your silver bars for one of my hand-made oak windows we'll call it a trade.