Heat watch

[adam2]

2023 confirmed as the hottest on record. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67861954

[mr brightside]

Flipping felt like it as well.

[BritDownUnder]

Yes the 'winter' here was very comfortable. Could grow peas and various things in the greenhouse the whole winter through.

I am finding in my relatively short experience that we used to get 'tropical' weather (i.e. cloudy, humid and stormy with frequent rain showers) in later summer in February in Australia. This summer we are getting this kind of weather from November, i.e. early summer. Apparently due to a very hot 'patch' of water off the NSW coast.

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Wake me up when we get back to something like the Medieval Warm Period.

[Ralphw2]

Sorry, the world passed that temperature a couple of decades ago. It will not be that cool again for millennia at least

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Sorry, the world passed that temperature a couple of decades ago. It will not be that cool again for millennia at least

So we’re farming like the vikings in Greenland (hint in the name there - it’s still pretty much glacier bound these days) and growing grapevines in Northumbria?

I’m still not sure what the panic is either. Grain belts closer to the equator should simply be substituted by grain belts further north or south surely?

Historical global temperatures: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocl ... otemps.svg

I’ve clocked up some 60 years on this planet and the high tide mark on the beaches I holiday at is just the same as it ever was.

So what’s the panic? If there really are changes to sea level - I really don’t see them. And if there really are change to sea levels they’re soooooooo slow we can surely adapt - and not in any real hurry either.

I’ve been growing the same veg in the same area that my grandfather did. No problems there.

Looks like we’re still pretty cool in the long term so let’s not forget to panic about global cooling!!

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08 ... l-cooling/

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2023 confirmed as the hottest on record. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67861954

When did those records begin? The ‘since records began’ malarkey does actually depend on when and where those records began.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67947335

“Arctic blast: Record-breaking cold weather forecast for many states”

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“Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?
James Hansen issued dire warnings in the summer of 1988. Today earth is only modestly warmer.”

“Mr. Hansen lit the bonfire of the greenhouse vanities, igniting a world-wide debate that continues today about the energy structure of the entire planet. President Obama’s environmental policies were predicated on similar models of rapid, high-cost warming. But the 30th anniversary of Mr. Hansen’s predictions affords an opportunity to see how well his forecasts have done—and to reconsider environmental policy accordingly.”

Er - not a single prediction came true.

I don’t deny that we humans have an influence on the climate. It’s just that the predictions of imminent disaster turn out to be ludicrous in the time frame that they predict and patently false.

[Ralphw2]

DO, for information, the medieval warm period was a regional heating period, not global. You are on a loser trying to disuade the contributors here about the speed and severity of the current and future climate change. I will not be reading any more of your posts on this thread, and if you start spamming at this rate I suspect you will get yourself banned, as some posters have been before, albeit mostly for more blatent trolling and abusive language.

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Well Ralph, I’m just discussing things in a forum which I’ve followed for years and whose long term contributors I have a great deal of respect for.

Including you.

I’m sorry if you feel threatened by my comments. That was not my intent. If you’ve taken it that way it might simply be a reflection of an insecurity in your own convictions.

I’m pretty sure that I haven’t used abusive language.

If ‘persistent trolling’ means posting an opinion that differs from yours - well yes. If Powerswitch is actually merely an echo chamber to bolster your own confidence then I do plead guilty to posting alternative perspectives.

I appeal to the moderators of this forum: should I be banned for holding contrary positions to some other posters on here?

[northernmonkey]

Well Ralph, I’m just discussing things in a forum which I’ve followed for years and whose long term contributors I have a great deal of respect for.

Including you.

I’m sorry if you feel threatened by my comments. That was not my intent. If you’ve taken it that way it might simply be a reflection of an insecurity in your own convictions.

I’m pretty sure that I haven’t used abusive language.

If ‘persistent trolling’ means posting an opinion that differs from yours - well yes. If Powerswitch is actually merely an echo chamber to bolster your own confidence then I do plead guilty to posting alternative perspectives.

I appeal to the moderators of this forum: should I be banned for holding contrary positions to some other posters on here?

Demonstrably no

[Ralphw2]

Sorry I was not wanting to imply that you had been abusive our deliberately trolling. I just know that some posters have been banned in the 20 years this site has been running and I get very frustrated at the level of misinformed comment that so often overwhelms the few good discussion forums I have found when so much of it originates in climate science denying institutions directly funded by the fossil fuel industries. I have a chemisty degree from a top british (scientific) university and have been following the science for 30 years, as well as the deliberate trolling that is so often purpetrated either to shut down rational discussion or just because it is fun to piss people off.

The science is settled. It was obvious to me 20 years ago and all the evidence I have seen since makes it obvious that 99% of climate scientists are far too cautious in their dire predictions, and niave in getting their message out to the people who could have made any real difference. The future will be worse. Hansen may have been an outlier in speaking out but I do not think he was wrong in any significant way.

When you put in 4 posts in a row with anecdotal reports of your gandfather's vegeteables, I got triggered.

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Ralph - that’s fine and thank you for explaining your previous post to me.

I do post opinions that deviate somewhat from the consensus here but it is never my intention to offend.

As I’ve said , I have a great deal of respect for the long term posters here and only offer my opinions in the spirit of free and fair debate.

PS my grandad did grow great veg!

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Stuff like this though does still make me wonder:

“Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'”

“Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

“Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm

We’re 10 years down the line from there and the Arctic summers are really not ice free.

So. - I really dunno what’s going on - except that it’s nothing like they predicted?