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E. Goldstein, yep. That’s the kleptocratic mentality that rules corporate America today, and the only thing that will change it is stark terror in the boardrooms, which socialists are good at providing.
Drhooves, I’ve noted before that the Long Descent isn’t a straight line — quite the contrary, there will be steep downward lurches, followed by stabilization and even by modest improvements in the window of opportunity before the next crisis hits. Working people in the US have been through one of those steep downward lurches; now the modest improvement seems to be cutting in. In a decline lasting one to three centuries, a lot of variation can be expected.
As for socialism, er, as I said, it’s pretty consistently a flop in the US. I don’t expect it to attract more than ten per cent of the electorate — but that’s enough to scare the bejesus out of the kleptocratic rich, which is a good thing for reasons already discussed.
As for the big tech companies, most of them are riding a temporary boom caused by absurdly low borrowing costs and the fad-driven nature of the stock market. My guess is that some of the biggest tech and internet stock names will go the way of Pets.com in the decade or so immediately ahead of us.
Mog, don’t mistake neoliberal economics for the broader realm of capitalist “free� market economics. Trump is an unabashed partisan of the latter, but his trade and immigration policy are in flat contradiction to basic principles of neoliberalism, and his administration’s assault on the regulatory state undercuts an equally important but normally unmentioned element of neoliberalism as practiced.
Blue Sun, one secret for effective prediction is to remember that every political action is followed by an unequal and not precisely opposite reaction. The massive concentration of wealth and influence in the hands of the tech-industry plutocrats was always guaranteed to generate blowback, and the extent to which the tech industry has aligned itself with the establishment against Trump guarantees that they’re going to have a big red bull’s-eye taped to their collective backside if he gets through the midterms without a resounding rejection by the voters.
Drhooves, oh, IT is going to take it in the gut, and so are a lot of other middle class occupations. It’s the working class end of the economy that’s going to benefit, not the university-educated knowledge professions. As I pointed out in my prediction, the boom won’t be evenly or fairly distributed, and some of those who have been sitting pretty in recent decades are likely to end up in a world of hurt as things shift.
Mog, the comment of mine to which you objected describes three core features of neoliberalism; that kind of working taxonomy, it seems to me, is more useful than a definition about which, inevitably, nits will get picked. Do you disagree that free trade, open borders, and metastatic government regulation aimed at crushing small businesses are core elements of the neoliberal playbook?
Chris, when business leaders talk about a skills shortage, what that means is that they’re furious that they might have to raise their wages to attract employees. The poor dears, they can’t bear the thought of making not quite so many million dollars a year!
Jose, it doesn’t surprise me at all. Neoliberalism has failed, not just a little bit but totally; it has not yielded the general prosperity it was supposed to yield — quite the contrary, it’s benefited an already comfortable minority at the expense of everyone else. As that becomes ever more painfully clear, voters are looking for alternatives, and finding them; the rise of populist parties and leaders in eastern Europe, in the US, and in Mexico is part of that very broad trend. Thus Trump and AMLO seemed to have no trouble at all finding common ground for a trade agreement; they can approach the negotiations in good faith, on the assumption that each nation has its economic interests to protect — just as Trump and the Polish prime minister, another populist, had a very productive meeting the other day. I expect to see more of this as populism spreads.
Shane, I suspect that partly it’s a personal grudge — Trump and Trudeau seem to have taken an instant dislike to one another — but it’s also Canada’s role as the most privileged of the client states in the US empire. During our age of empire, having Canada as a contented and loyal vassal was essential to the US geopolitical strategy, and so a variety of one-sided arrangements were put in place to keep Canada in that position. As the US stands down from its global empire, we don’t need Canada as a vassal, and the privileges we’ve given our neighbor to the north cost more than, in an post-imperial age, they’re worth.
As a result, expect to hear the wealthy classes in Canada scream like banshees as the US says “Nice knowing you� and pursues a policy oriented toward its own domestic interests, and to building a mutually beneficial relationship with its southern neighbor instead. What’s still undecided is whether Canada will seek to maintain its status as a lapdog of empires and cuddle up to China, or whether it will start acting like the huge and resource-rich nation it is and pursue an independent foreign policy in alliance with Australia and India, its logical allies as a counterbalance against Chinese global hegemony.
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Forecastingintelligence, the timing of the turn into contraction is complex, not least because it’ll be papered over by the manipulation of abstractions for a good long while. I expect it to happen one country or region at a time, with some maintaining growth while others begin to contract, but the tipping points are to my mind likely to cluster around 2030. But we’ll see!
Greer's response to my question on the timing of the shift from an era of economic growth of perma economic contraction.
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Globally, the economy is growing at around 3% annually. Population 1.2%. On average we're still getting richer. Maintaining that economic growth rate to 2030 grows the economy by close to 40% - anyone here think we've got the resources and stability to support a 40% larger economy, in 2030?

By 2030 the condition of most important resources (fossil fuels, soil, fresh water, good weather etc) will be degraded with respect to today. Will we be able to deploy infrastructure and technology fast enough to enable faster extraction/utilisation from a degraded resource?

I suspect we're already experiencing a lot of 'manipulation of abstractions' to keep the show on the road *today*. We're already eating the capital to book short term growth. I don't expect the 'global growth' show to go on for more than decade and the wheels could come off any day.
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If the global economy really is growing by 3% annually, this does not necessarily mean we are all getting richer. Or, at least, we need to define what we mean by "richer" and what we mean by "the economy".
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Little John wrote:If the global economy really is growing by 3% annually, this does not necessarily mean we are all getting richer. Or, at least, we need to define what we mean by "richer" and what we mean by "the economy".
I think it is growing at around 3% - but obviously only in its own flawed terms. But indeed, the bulk of the folk who are getting richer are in low and middle income countries. Moving from $4 to $16 to $32 dollars a day. These are real, genuine increases in wealth enabling better education, healthcare etc. The vast majority of us rich folk in the west are not seeing the same share of global economic growth and many 10s of millions are significantly poorer than a decade ago.
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I've been reading a lot around this subject.

An all fossil fuels production peak is likely around 2030 according to peak prosperity.

As civ notes limits on growth e.g. land, water etc will be severe by 2030 and I agree that qe and the other tools of manipulation can kick the can down the road for only so long.

I also expect climate change to get really bad after 2030.

So overall I concur with John. Expect economic growth to die for most of the world after 2030.
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Good to see Greer is back talking about historical cycles and the future of our industrial civilization.
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Foxhands, the future of central and eastern Europe depends in large part on three factors. The first is how the inevitable implosion of the EU works out; the second is whether mass migration to Europe from the Middle East and Africa continues or is stopped; the third is how soon the rising Russian great culture expands its power and influence westward. By and large Hungary’s in a good position for the future, as it won’t be drowned by rising sea levels and should be able to adapt fairly well to the other impacts of climate change, but a lot depends on details of future history that aren’t settled yet.
Prizm, I’ll be talking about Russian Orthodoxy quite a bit in a future post; the schism that has just divided the Russian Orthodox Church from the rest of the Orthodox communion is, to my mind, far more important than it seems — as important as the split between the Roman church and the Orthodox Church back in the day. As for the meeting ground between monotheism and polytheism, there must be something in the air — I had several people talk about being drawn to that in this week’s Magic Monday ask-me-anything post over on my Dreamwidth journal.
Robert, nope. The western half of North America, to judge by paleoclimatological equivalents, is going to turn into nearly uninhabitable desert, and the oil you’ve got just guarantees that your local ecology is going to be devastated and the region itself may become a target for invasion and conquest once the current nation-state system comes apart. The eastern third or so of Canada is a much better bet — that, or the high Arctic.
Grey, yep. I expect movement on that right after the midterms, and once Congress passes the legislation in question, I also expect Trump to arrange for clemency for a vast number of people who are in prison for simple possession without any other crime. Once that happens — especially since a disproportionate number of people in jail for cannabis possession are black, and the Democrats could have done that a dozen times over but never got around to it — Trump’s reelection will be a slam-dunk.
Discwrites, every year since before I was born people have been insisting that the end of industrial civilization will be a sudden cataclysm. Meanwhile, the end of industrial civilization is already taking place around us. It’s 45 years since the last human being walked on the Moon; most of the great technological advances that were supposed to make the future happen either didn’t happen at all, or turned out to cost more than they were worth; climate change and resource depletion are already clamping down, and global population growth curves are flattening out rapidly at a rate that should lead to declines within my remaining lifespan. The long descent is already happening. The Faustian imagination can’t handle the thought of decline, which is why people flee into apocalyptic fantasies — but year after year, decline happens and the apocalypse doesn’t. I rest my case!
Forecastingintelligence, large parts of Europe are going to have to choose fairly soon whether they intend to control their borders and restore the rule of law to their immigrant ghettos, on the one hand, or become part of the Dar al-Islam on the other. There isn’t a third choice as far as I can see. As for Brazil, Spengler talked at length about the rise of Caesarism, and we seem to be getting a fairly widespread round of it just now. The Khashoggi case? Business as usual in the Middle East; such things were being done as a matter of course in Sumerian times.
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Yep. Outstanding.

Thank God he's laid off the astrology stuff for a bit.

He does my head in. How can a man, with such razor sharp clarity of thought in some things, be so fuddly muddly in others?
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Yes, outstanding
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Really you two, is the ritual adulation comment every time Greer writes something the best you can do?
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