Migrant watch (merged topic)

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 17 May 2016, 21:15

I'm ordering that book UE. I'll let folks know what I think of it after reading.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 18 May 2016, 03:25

Please tell me that you've ordered it from someone other than the ubiquitous evil that is named after a famous south American river that lazy people who should know better are still referencing on this forum.

There will never be any justice or fairness in this world when people are too f**king lazy to use a more ethical supplier that the bunch of shite that we have to convert to DODGY TAX AVOIDERS to try and change things.

You can get it here at the same price and I think that they are slightly more ethical in their dealings:-

https://www.waterstones.com/books/searc ... population

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 18 May 2016, 06:26

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Not so f**king straightforward when they can't provide a f**king listing for us f**king lazy people. I couldn't really use fewer f**king words and the F**king spelling is a bit difficult to get wrong.

I don't think it helps to have an offensive tone of voice, does it? Or is this a new requirement for mods that the others haven't caught on to yet?

Generally this world (or nature come to that) is not just or fair, it just "is". So you can beat me up if you see fit (or just (or fair)) I bought mine from "Wordery", who list it on DODGY TAX AVOIDERS.

PS do you use "google"? Buy products from any of the "Kraft" or "Nestle´" groups, use "Unilever" or "Proctor and Gamble" products? They may or may not have agressive tax avoidance schemes, but they certainly buy quite a lot of palm oil. Is that fair or just in your world?

Post by **clv101** » 18 May 2016, 07:03

I've been using this bookshop recently:
http://newsfromnowhere.org.uk/

Sometimes the same price as the tax dodgers, sometimes a little bit more but far far better to send a few extra quid their way:

News From Nowhere Radical & Community Bookshop has served Liverpool, the North West, and beyond, with the best in radical literature since 1974.

It's run on a not-for-profit basis by News From Nowhere Co-operative - a women's collective of five permanent, paid bookshop workers. Very often we have volunteer help too.

We are registered as a not-for-profit co-operative under the Industrial & Provident Societies Act

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 18 May 2016, 07:04

Another good choice promoting independent bookshops, usually priced within a few pence of the bad guys. http://www.hive.co.uk/

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 18 May 2016, 07:12

kenneal - lagger wrote:Please tell me that you've ordered it from someone other than the ubiquitous evil that is named after a famous south American river that lazy people who should know better are still referencing on this forum.

There will never be any justice or fairness in this world when people are too f**king lazy to use a more ethical supplier that the bunch of shite that we have to convert to DODGY TAX AVOIDERS to try and change things.

You can get it here at the same price and I think that they are slightly more ethical in their dealings:-

https://www.waterstones.com/books/searc ... population

Oh do get off your high horse Ken. When I see you getting so hot under the collar about the plight of poor people right here in this country, I might take more notice. I could just as easily say there will never be any justice or fairness in this world when people are too f**king lazy to see further than their own grubby short term little interests by voting in the same Tory bunch of shite time and again. Now, which people would that be, Ken?

I am bound to say, I have often noticed how both Tories with a "conscience" and comfortably-off, Right-On Liberals tend to reserve their greatest displays of moral outrage for those things which are just nicely once removed from impacting on their own affairs. That way, they get the best of both worlds in that they are seen to publicly "care" but not in any way which is going to seriously directly and immediately affect them.

I am not suggesting that *mazon et al are not the bunch of societal leeches they obviously are. I just don't need a moral lecture on that from you. And by the way, I bought off an Ebay UK supplier, if you must know.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 May 2016, 10:39

UndercoverElephant wrote:
woodburner wrote: I've ordered the Swarm book,
It is very well written. The author is passionate, and has no time for political correctness or fluffy idealism.

and it's just struck me that now there are halfwits who are going to start (probably already have) eating krill, and depriving yet more animals of a living.
Probably not long before they start using krill to make fertiliser.

Isn't krill depleting big time anyway because we've killed most of the whales?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 May 2016, 10:47

kenneal - lagger wrote:Please tell me that you've ordered it from someone other than the ubiquitous evil that is named after a famous south American river that lazy people who should know better are still referencing on this forum.

There will never be any justice or fairness in this world when people are too f**king lazy to use a more ethical supplier that the bunch of shite that we have to convert to DODGY TAX AVOIDERS to try and change things.

You can get it here at the same price and I think that they are slightly more ethical in their dealings:-

https://www.waterstones.com/books/searc ... population

Even better is asking News from Nowhere, the women's co-op in Liverpool, to get your books for you. They may be slightly dearer on odd things - but you might be surprised. Either way, using them helps the conscience.

Edit: Oops, just saw Chris's post about the same suppliers.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 May 2016, 10:50

woodburner wrote:PS do you use "google"? Buy products from any of the "Kraft" or "Nestle´" groups, use "Unilever" or "Proctor and Gamble" products?

No, none of them and more, for donkeys' years. Practically everything I ever spend my money on is vetted first in one way or another.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 18 May 2016, 11:10

emordnilap wrote: Isn't krill depleting big time anyway because we've killed most of the whales?

Yeah, with fewer whales the krill don't have so much to feed on... oh, hang on...

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 May 2016, 11:54

biffvernon wrote:
emordnilap wrote: Isn't krill depleting big time anyway because we've killed most of the whales?
Yeah, with fewer whales the krill don't have so much to feed on... oh, hang on...

Monbiot will set you straight.

Studies in the 1970s proposed that the great reduction in the large whales of the southern oceans would lead to an increase in the population of krill, their major prey. It never materialised. Instead there has been a long-term decline. How could that be true? It now turns out that whales maintain the populations of their prey.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 18 May 2016, 12:07

emordnilap wrote:
Studies in the 1970s proposed that the great reduction in the large whales of the southern oceans would lead to an increase in the population of krill, their major prey. It never materialised. Instead there has been a long-term decline. How could that be true? It now turns out that whales maintain the populations of their prey.

Bloody farmers

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 18 May 2016, 14:10

Well, I did know that stuff about whales, but it was too good an opportunity.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 18 May 2016, 18:44

Bears catching salmon and doing what they then do in the woods similarly supports the whole forest system along the north west coast of North America. Would Scotland have had a similar system before man killed off the bears?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 18 May 2016, 18:46

kenneal - lagger wrote:Bears catching salmon and doing what they then do in the woods similarly supports the whole forest system along the north west coast of North America. Would Scotland have had a similar system before man killed off the bears?

Now, that's an interesting conjecture I had not previously considered Ken. I see no reason why that would not also have been the case. Gaia theory explains a lot of how our planetary eco-system works.

And by the way, my thanks and my respect for not deleting my recent post on here taking issue with you over the use (or not) of certain multinational services.