Forget electric ferncing on remote land.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 29 Oct 2008, 21:33

Crime prevention is your responsibility, not solely the polices.

So I have to protect everything with say barbed wire, dogs & concrete blocks?

Knowing that even then the £100 item will STILL get stolen or destroyed.

And the police won't do a thing about it even with evidence?

Is this how YOUR land looks?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 29 Oct 2008, 22:31

You shouldn't have to take those precautions, of course, but unfortunately our society is breaking down. Morals have largely gone and there is a ready market for stolen goods.

Even the draconian defences in your picture would have no effect against a thief with a pair of wirecutters and no fear of police actually attending.

Physical security of land is extremely difficult, a scumbag will easily defeat fences designed to control animals. Fortunately thieves are lazy, so anything you can do to slow them down or make them work hard will discourage them.

Maybe thick hedges would work for you, I could send you some berries from my pyracanthia if you like, it's a really fierce bush .

Also, nobody wants to mess with a big dog.

contadino · Post by **contadino** » 30 Oct 2008, 03:39

Vortex wrote:Is this how YOUR land looks?

I live on my land, not miles away in a town.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 30 Oct 2008, 08:20

contadino wrote:
Vortex wrote:Is this how YOUR land looks?
I live on my land, not miles away in a town.

We live a mile away from our land, in the countryside.

Other landowners we know are in the same situation: land with a house is a rarity in the UK.

Even the big farmers live away from much of their land.

contadino · Post by **contadino** » 30 Oct 2008, 08:29

Vortex wrote:Even the big farmers live away from much of their land.

That's my point. Generally, farmers keep valuable livestock nearby, where they can look after them. Crops, which are a bit more difficult to steal, are grown further away. It would be a pretty dumb farmer who'd leave costly items/animals a mile away from where they can keep an eye on them.

AFAIK, land with a house is not a rarity, it's just expensive. You do things on the cheap and you have to live with the restrictions it places upon you.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 30 Oct 2008, 09:50

We have very restrictive planning laws in the UK, coupled with small plots this means that many many small landowners are living separate from their land.

Woodland is even worse, you have practically no chance of building a dwelling in your woods, and they are usually surrounded by farmland. Also, everybody (and their dog) seems to think they have a right to walk in woods and their activities are hidden by the trees. This could be a problem when firewood prices go up.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 30 Oct 2008, 10:02

You do things on the cheap and you have to live with the restrictions it places upon you.

We do what we can, with the money we have available and with the rare plots of land that appears on the market.

I feel very lucky to have any land at all.

I'm sure that there are some on this forum who would be delighted to have any land at all, away from the house or not.

I am pleased that you have the money and intelligence to have done it properly.

In fact, I feel that an award is called for. Here you go ...

contadino · Post by **contadino** » 30 Oct 2008, 10:31

You keep bringing this back to me, and what I've done, which is irrelevant. Farmers for thousands of years have suffered from the same problems around security, and have developed practices to mitigate the risks. You've ignored all this past experience and are now moaning that you've run into problems.

I told you it would happen in this thread:

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/vie ... light=farm

Your arrogance has caused these problems.

MacG · Post by **MacG** » 30 Oct 2008, 11:19

contadino wrote:You keep bringing this back to me, and what I've done, which is irrelevant. Farmers for thousands of years have suffered from the same problems around security, and have developed practices to mitigate the risks. You've ignored all this past experience and are now moaning that you've run into problems.

I told you it would happen in this thread:

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/vie ... light=farm

Your arrogance has caused these problems.

Almost wetting my pants laughing here! That was the most perfect "told-you-so" I've seen in many years! Absolutely 100% clean decapitation. Like some samurai figure in a Kurosawa movie.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 30 Oct 2008, 11:28

MacG wrote:
contadino wrote:You keep bringing this back to me, and what I've done, which is irrelevant. Farmers for thousands of years have suffered from the same problems around security, and have developed practices to mitigate the risks. You've ignored all this past experience and are now moaning that you've run into problems.

I told you it would happen in this thread:

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/vie ... light=farm

Your arrogance has caused these problems.
Almost wetting my pants laughing here! That was the most perfect "told-you-so" I've seen in many years! Absolutely 100% clean decapitation. Like some samurai figure in a Kurosawa movie.

Macg, you are now officially off my Christmas card list!

Anyway, I'd rather be an arrogant than smug!

contadino · Post by **contadino** » 30 Oct 2008, 11:32

You were being pretty smug in that thread I referenced.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 30 Oct 2008, 11:49

contadino wrote:You were being pretty smug in that thread I referenced.

I have just rescanned the thread you mentioned - I think I come across:

a: as being rather pleased that we had at last found a bit of land we could afford after 6 years of looking.
b: as being a bit of a techie.

By the way that was the thread where you posted:

I understand that Scotland has a right to roam law. A bunch of friends in Moray ritually have picnics in the gardens of English expats, and target ones with 'Private Land, Keep Out' signs.

Game, set and match to me I do believe.

contadino · Post by **contadino** » 30 Oct 2008, 12:07

Vortex wrote:By the way that was the thread where you posted:
I understand that Scotland has a right to roam law. A bunch of friends in Moray ritually have picnics in the gardens of English expats, and target ones with 'Private Land, Keep Out' signs.
Game, set and match to me I do believe.

Huh? What has that got to do with anything in this thread? What's wrong with having a picnic where you're perfectly entitled to do so?

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 30 Oct 2008, 12:14

Oh, this is getting silly.

Let's just agree that we have different points of view.

MacG · Post by **MacG** » 30 Oct 2008, 12:17

Vortex wrote:
MacG wrote:
contadino wrote:You keep bringing this back to me, and what I've done, which is irrelevant. Farmers for thousands of years have suffered from the same problems around security, and have developed practices to mitigate the risks. You've ignored all this past experience and are now moaning that you've run into problems.

I told you it would happen in this thread:

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/vie ... light=farm

Your arrogance has caused these problems.
Almost wetting my pants laughing here! That was the most perfect "told-you-so" I've seen in many years! Absolutely 100% clean decapitation. Like some samurai figure in a Kurosawa movie.
Macg, you are now officially off my Christmas card list!

Anyway, I'd rather be an arrogant than smug!

How sad - just when I bought the perfect Christmas present for you. Well, guess I'll have to give it to someone else then...

You'll love to torture him! Tear off one of the Black Knight's arms or legs and you'll see a bloody stump. Squeeze his mid-section and you'll hear a comical quotation. How's that for interactive dismemberment fun? This riotous Plush stands 14-inches tall. You'll hear phrases like "Tis but a scratch" and "I'll bite your legs off!" Satisfy your sadistic side and make Monty proud. Order the take-apart warrior now!