Oh dear, just above a sunlit roof. Now, wouldn’t the air temperature be affected by being in such a position?PS_RalphW wrote:The university thermometer is at the West Cambridge research site, about a mile outside of the city.woodburner wrote:
Where is the Cambridge thermometer sited? It’s all very well quoting these so called “record� temperatures, but my thermometer, which is only 20 miles from Cambridge, registered a maximum of 32ºC since I last reset it months ago. It is sited in a position that has permanent shade, plenty of airflow, so it is measuring air temperatures, and does not have a direct sun exposure element.
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Perhaps you should read the information fully, woodburner, and you wouldn't get the wrong information so often!
The temperature sensor is located out of sight, below the overhang of the roof, and beneath the metal walkway. This position is out of direct sunlight.
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The screen is designed to eliminate the effects of direct radiation so that the true air temperature is measured. IR will always effect the temperature measured because the IR heats the air.ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:So when you say a properly screened thermometer, you are referring to a screen that will not allow the infrared emissions to effect the thermometer?kenneal - lagger wrote:No, RGR, it will heat the air to an extent but not to the extent that you don't feel the radiant heat.
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Interesting. Also, recommended to be more than 100' from paved or concrete surfaces and whatnotkenneal - lagger wrote:The screen is designed to eliminate the effects of direct radiation so that the true air temperature is measured. IR will always effect the temperature measured because the IR heats the air.ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:So when you say a properly screened thermometer, you are referring to a screen that will not allow the infrared emissions to effect the thermometer?kenneal - lagger wrote:No, RGR, it will heat the air to an extent but not to the extent that you don't feel the radiant heat.
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A reasonably accurate indication of air temperature may be obtained by an accurate thermometer placed in the shade and away from structures that may influence the reading.
For an official temperature reading as recognised by the met office, the thermometer needs to be placed within a white painted Stevenson screen which is a louvered wooden box placed at about 4 or 5 feet above ground level.
The louvers permit of plentiful air flow whilst preventing any direct access by radiant heat.
It is usual when great accuracy is desired to use several thermometers of different types.
The Stevenson screen also often contains a recording barometer, and a recording humidity instrument.
Adjacent to but outside the screen will usually be found a rain gauge, an anemometer, a wind direction recorder, a sunlight recorder and sometimes other instruments.
If it is desired to collect data on pollution this is often done at the same site.
For an official temperature reading as recognised by the met office, the thermometer needs to be placed within a white painted Stevenson screen which is a louvered wooden box placed at about 4 or 5 feet above ground level.
The louvers permit of plentiful air flow whilst preventing any direct access by radiant heat.
It is usual when great accuracy is desired to use several thermometers of different types.
The Stevenson screen also often contains a recording barometer, and a recording humidity instrument.
Adjacent to but outside the screen will usually be found a rain gauge, an anemometer, a wind direction recorder, a sunlight recorder and sometimes other instruments.
If it is desired to collect data on pollution this is often done at the same site.
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Look at the picture. You can see the walkway with the poles sticking up, you can see at the far end of the walkway the roof overhang. You can see just beyond that the sunlit roof. The sensor may be out of direct sunlight, but there is a lot of collected heat on that roof, it will be moved around by air currents, and it will be radiating. Of course that wouldn’t affect the sensor. Or would it?kenneal - lagger wrote:Perhaps you should read the information fully, woodburner, and you wouldn't get the wrong information so often!
The temperature sensor is located out of sight, below the overhang of the roof, and beneath the metal walkway. This position is out of direct sunlight.
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The photo is of the Cambridge University weather station. It is not one of the met office stations that recorded the record temperatures. It peaked at 36.1C, not 37.8Cwoodburner wrote:
Look at the picture. You can see the walkway with the poles sticking up, you can see at the far end of the walkway the roof overhang. You can see just beyond that the sunlit roof. The sensor may be out of direct sunlight, but there is a lot of collected heat on that roof, it will be moved around by air currents, and it will be radiating. Of course that wouldn’t affect the sensor. Or would it?
It clearly does not meet the scientific requirement for standardised data logging, and so is not included in the met office official records.
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SOME concrete anyway. I know of very few paved structures. Although, if you consider asphalt flung down on some dirt is a "structure", you would be right. I don't naturally think of a road or parking lot as a structure though.woodburner wrote:I think paving and concrete can reasonably defined as “structures�.