Moderator: Peak Moderation
Not even a year ago, German intelligence predicted Syrian autocrat Bashar Assad's regime would soon collapse. Now, the agency instead believes the rebels are in trouble. Government troops are set to make significant advances, it predicts.
Assad clinging on will be better for the Syrian people then the extremists taking power and a genocidal bloodbath against the minorities.JohnB wrote:- millions to the Syrian people, whoever "wins".
All societies that are based on Abrahamic, monotheistic religions are intolerant and dangerous by their very nature This was true of Christianity in the middle ages when we burned heretics at the stake and it is true now of many Muslim countries. It is why it was always a bad idea to allow immigration of poorly educated Muslims from relatively extremist Muslim countries and then further exacerbate the above by allowing such immigrants to form tight knit communities in this country that facilitated a wholesale transfer of their culture with them when they arrived. All of which goes a long way to providing an explanation for the kind of medieval brutality we witnessed yesterday.kenneal - lagger wrote:Assad is getting increased support from Shia people at the moment. If the Sunnis respond to this support with their own it could turn the tables back again.
I was watching the news tonight about the extremists who killed the soldier in Woolwich and thinking that Moslems are killing far more Moslems than non Moslems are at the moment what with Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps they should be protesting about that.
The number of excess deaths in Iraq since the invasion was estimated at one million plus by 2007. Plus another 4 - 5 million refugees.stevecook172001 wrote:Having said that, the number of innocent civilians that have been killed in such Muslim countries in recent years, either directly by our forces or indirectly as a result of their actions, is truly massive. We are talking here about the deaths of hundred of thousands of innocent people. Though, I readily concede, as KL has pointed out, that Muslims in these countries appear to be at least as capable of killing their own as they are the infidels.
winYes, you're right. But saying what was declared at Nuremburg may have some influence,jonny2mad wrote:The nuremburg trials didnt try bomber harris or bomber command who targeted civilians or the red army who pretty much raped anything that moved in eastern germany as ever it was victors justice .
We may be responsible but does it matter if we are never tried or convicted .
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I dispute that. Sunnis and Shias killing each other and the Taliban killing Afghans is down to them just as Libyans killing Libyans is. The Taliban were killing non believers before we went into Afghanistan as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The Arab Spring would have come to those countries eventually and they would have ended up killing each other anyway.Blue Peter wrote:......., all those deaths and refugees are down to us,
I would suggest that, under Saddam, the Sunnis and Shias weren't killing each other, but lived in a working harmony (possibly repressed). We upset that harmony, including arming one side or t'other and pitting them against each other as part of a deliberate policy. So, they are killing each other, but the fuse to that explosion was lit by us. The fuse could have been lit by many other "not us" events, but, as a matter of fact, it was lit by us. And Nuremburg provides the verdict on such a fact.kenneal - lagger wrote:I dispute that. Sunnis and Shias killing each other and the Taliban killing Afghans is down to them just as Libyans killing Libyans is. The Taliban were killing non believers before we went into Afghanistan as was Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The Arab Spring would have come to those countries eventually and they would have ended up killing each other anyway.Blue Peter wrote:......., all those deaths and refugees are down to us,
We have a responsibility for killing those who died during war only. The rest is not up to us. They have to sort their own lives out and if that involves a civil war we should keep out of it.
Well, hang on a minute BP, speak for yourself mate, because they're not down to me. Not only have I never supported UK foreign adventures in the Middle East and elsewhere, I have also actively protested on our streets to that effect as well. Not that it made damned difference.Blue Peter wrote:The number of excess deaths in Iraq since the invasion was estimated at one million plus by 2007. Plus another 4 - 5 million refugees.stevecook172001 wrote:Having said that, the number of innocent civilians that have been killed in such Muslim countries in recent years, either directly by our forces or indirectly as a result of their actions, is truly massive. We are talking here about the deaths of hundred of thousands of innocent people. Though, I readily concede, as KL has pointed out, that Muslims in these countries appear to be at least as capable of killing their own as they are the infidels.
Then there are all the dead of Afghanistan, Libya, Syria,...
As the Nuremburg trials declared, war is the ultimate evil, and those who cause it are responsible for that, and all the lesser evils which flow from it. In other words, all those deaths and refugees are down to us,
Peter.
It's just shorthand....though, I suppose under a democratic system, that's the quid pro quo, you're also responsible when your side loses. You can't opt out,stevecook172001 wrote:Well, hang on a minute BP, speak for yourself mate, because they're not down to me. Not only have I never supported UK foreign adventures in the Middle East and elsewhere, I have also actively protested on our streets to that effect as well. Not that it made damned difference.
Yes but.Blue Peter wrote:It's just shorthand....though, I suppose under a democratic system, that's the quid pro quo, you're also responsible when your side loses. You can't opt out,stevecook172001 wrote:Well, hang on a minute BP, speak for yourself mate, because they're not down to me. Not only have I never supported UK foreign adventures in the Middle East and elsewhere, I have also actively protested on our streets to that effect as well. Not that it made damned difference.
Peter.
I think it will end pretty well for Muslims in the west, we don't have the will as a culture to defend ourselves we are giving up territory, we are not bloody minded enough to win in a tit for tat conflict, the sort of societies that do well against islamisation would be far more brutal and uncivilized think Vlad the impaler or Charles the hammer martell .stevecook172001 wrote:It's not going to end well for Muslims in the West.
