The process of collapse is increasing...

[leroy]

Are you ethnically Japanese Ippoippo? I used to live in Nihon, and tbh, couldn't imagine anything worse than being whitey out there when things go wrong.

[Ludwig]

It WILL be anarchy in the UK. The clincher is the hyper-individualism (as EV puts it) that was instituted by the Thatcher government, and which the Labour government unconscionably refused to correct.

I take exception to this line of thinking, it offends me.

I was too young to vote in those days but i am old enough to know that "the people" voted for the economics of self interest en mass, this is what the people wanted. We had clumsy ginger Mr Kinock talking a bit of sense here and there but he was welsh, and well...erm....ginger.

"We" the british people instituted this culture, and for all her faults, and ther were many, Thatcher honestly told us what we were going to get. And we said yes. It's our fault, or at a push, our parents.

People are essentially sheep. If a leader emerges who condones and encourages their most selfish instincts, they will modify their behaviour without even thinking about it.

Morality (or the lack of it) always comes from the top down.

I cannot forgive Thatcher. She brought out the worst in this nation. You are probably too young to realise that before her, people used to respect each other, used to believe that there was more to life than making money, used to believe that there was value in kindness and not just in dog-eat-dog competition.

I'm not saying the Left didn't lay the groundwork for her in the 70s and I'm not saying every single one of her policies was wrong. What I cannot forgive her is the insidious psychological brutalisation of the nation. More than any particular policy, the statement "There is no such thing as society" is probably what did the harm. And no, I am not persuaded that the statement's perniciousness is mitigated by the context.