Brexit process

[Mark]

forced uptake of the Euro and the economic chaos that that would bring to the UK.

Have to disagree - there was no prospect of the UK being forced into uptake of the Euro.
There may have been a 'wish' from the EU, but that's totally different.

[Mark]

ERG Brexiteer backs remaining within REACH:

I only read the first paragraph.

We are staying in REACH. Either UK REACH or EU REACH.

Nothing changes post brexit.

It does if we get a No Deal Brexit.
Read the whole article - it's not me speaking, these people are in the know....

[kenneal - lagger]

forced uptake of the Euro and the economic chaos that that would bring to the UK.

Have to disagree - there was no prospect of the UK being forced into uptake of the Euro.
There may have been a 'wish' from the EU, but that's totally different.

I will agree that there "was" no prospect but there certainly will be a prospect if we stay in for much longer. If the Leave vote is reversed the EU will take that as a sign that they can push forward with impunity and the silly buggers who "like to feel European" will not push against anything that they do.

If we stay in we really are up shit creek without a paddle and any austerity which we have suffered will be like a pleasant day in the park in comparison. There you go, Project Reverse Fear" in operation.

[Lord Beria3]

Tommy Robinson?

I don't think so, whatever you think of him he has a history that is distasteful to too many. Having said that, Trump is in the White House so for all I know Grayson Perry could be our next PM!

Have you watched his Oxford Union speech? He is an articulate, charismatic and quite a intelligent chap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQ94jFg_4A

Don't write him off... he can get thousands of supporters of the streets and is being groomed for a role in politics.

Myself, I also see him as a potential wannabe warband leader should we go down that path in the coming decades. Robinson enjoys big support among the grunts of the army and the working class roughs across England.

[UndercoverElephant]

If brexit is thwarted and nothing continues to be done about the epidemic of abusive muslim criminal gangs in our towns and cities, then yes something like Tommy Robinson + born-again-UKIP will become a major force in British politics.

[Lord Beria3]

Not just politics, it could be on the streets too!

As Greer wrote recently the non European war bands are already here and the European wannabe war bands had better get ready! Greer is course referring to the jihadi groups who operate across Europe.

[Little John]

....Robinson enjoys big support among the grunts of the army and the working class roughs across England.

His support amongst the working class is now far wider than merely the "grunts" and the "roughs".

[fuzzy]

The issue with rich non brits was manufactured back in 1914 with 'non-domicile status' [bit of a co-incidence with WW1??]. Something which our supposed russian in guernsey will know all about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_ ... d_domicile

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/per ... alify.html

[stumuz1]

ERG Brexiteer backs remaining within REACH:

I only read the first paragraph.

We are staying in REACH. Either UK REACH or EU REACH.

Nothing changes post brexit.

It does if we get a No Deal Brexit.
Read the whole article - it's not me speaking, these people are in the know....

How does REACH change if we get a no deal?

Remember, Jacob is not a specialist chemical lawyer.

[stumuz1]

If these were the real issues for Brexit voters - you've all been sold a pup.

Some very interesting research coming out of Sweden at the moment. They are navel gazing on how they congratulated themselves from being very liberal and open, to a political lurch right in a short time.

Spoiler alert: it's not about immigration.

https://www.socialeurope.eu/me-too-the- ... and-beyond

[kenneal - lagger]

Oh! but it is about immigration, Stu. The whole reason that it is being discussed is the immigration.

My take on it is that the Swedes live in an unforgiving climate, one where a knowledge of survival skills is, even in this day and age, essential. Community and and desire to help one's community have been central to their survival in a cold climate. This is why their socialist principals developed and are still so strong.

Bringing in large numbers of outsiders who have none of the skills of the community disrupts the life of the working man and disrupts the sense of community so they look for someone who has sympathy for their plight and that is the SD.

Living in a testing climate also gives them an innate sense of the carrying capacity of their land. This has been noted in island dwellers in the Pacific by Jared Diamond. We have lost this sense in the UK because we have been a trading nation and an industrialised nation which, long ago, lost its connection to the land. Bringing in large numbers of people will disturb that sense of carrying capacity in a nation which is still closely attached to its land. This sense will not be quite so strong in the "internationalised" politicians so they will not understand their electorates sensibilities.

The UK has "suffered" / "enjoyed" (? add your own word there) an increase in population of 22 million on the back of immigration since the early 50s which is an average of about 350,000 per year. I wonder what the Swedes would have felt about that.

[Mark]

I only read the first paragraph.

We are staying in REACH. Either UK REACH or EU REACH.

Nothing changes post brexit.

It does if we get a No Deal Brexit.
Read the whole article - it's not me speaking, these people are in the know....

How does REACH change if we get a no deal?

Remember, Jacob is not a specialist chemical lawyer.

From ENDS.......

Why a post-REACH Brexit spells pain for industry:
https://www.endsreport.com/article/6116 ... r-industry

Away from the noise of calls from hardline Brexiters to scrap chemicals regulation, DEFRA and the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) met with chemical industry stakeholders last week to discuss its plans if no deal was reached with the EU. Should no deal come to pass, the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) would step into roles currently occupied by the European Chemicals Agency, European Food Safety Authority and the European Commission, with little time to prepare, according to government guidance. DEFRA told delegates at the meeting that UK holders of letters of access would need to submit a full REACH-style registration dossier within two years. But according to Nishma Patel from the Chemical Industry Association (CIA), two years would not be sufficient time for industry and could have cost implications. Registrations under REACH at EU level, which were completed earlier this year, took a lot longer, she noted. “That was pretty much a ten-year project. Companies had to gather the information and submit it to the regulator and to customer industries. To fit ten years of work into two years is a tough call,� she said. “Companies already have this information, but to use it, they have to have permission, that will take time as there will need to be negotiations within companies. Two years is a pretty tight timeline,� she added. If a company cannot gain permission, they would need to retest substances, which would cost more time and money, she said. The deadlines over the past ten years were phased, whereas under the proposed UK system, everything would have to be done at once, she added. DEFRA has not said if there would be any leeway on the deadline, or if failure to meet it would mean that companies would be unable to place products on the UK market. Patel’s sentiments were echoed by Susanne Baker, head of environment and compliance at Tech UK. “If a company had a very large portfolio, a two-year timeframe would cause a big issue for them,� she said. DEFRA’s reason for the two-year timeframe was unclear, she said. However, she believed that the department was open to concerns from stakeholders. “It didn’t seem that this was a closed deal,� she said.

DEFRA also said that only upstream authorisations that had already been granted to UK holders would be grandfathered into the UK regime. A company whose authorisation had not yet been granted by the time the UK leaves the EU would have to resubmit its application to UK authorities. “That would be frustrating for those companies,� said Baker. The National Audit Office flagged issues around chemical regulation as a concern in its report on the department’s progress in implementing Brexit, published last month. For example, DEFRA is having to set up a new IT system to replace that used by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA). It had not yet ensured that it could fully meet operational needs, the report noted. The department’s approach was to make sure the system was functioning in time for the UK to leave the EU, then add additional functionality later. The NAO had questioned this, saying there was a risk that once full business requirements were specified, the basic design could need significant rework.

Baker said that the IT system seemed to be on track. “They’ve had stakeholder events to road test it. But the EU system is being updated at the same time so there’s a question mark over potential divergence in the system,� she noted. Patel said that the CIA had been involved in testing the system. “We’ve been promised that it will have the basic functionalities. The main thing is that we don’t have a big IT failure come exit day and companies are unable to meet their compliance requirements - that is the overarching concern for businesses.� Meanwhile, on staffing the agency, officials from DEFRA told the meeting that it had drawn up workforce plans under various Brexit scenarios, and was ready to trigger recruitment as soon as the outcome of negotiations with the EU were clear. Campaign group CHEM Trust have raised concerns about the process for engaging stakeholders in decisions on chemicals authorisations. ECHA has a number of layers of oversight of its activities, including a management board comprising member states and stakeholders, and technical committees where the work of ECHA can be challenged. CHEM Trust understands that the UK government intends to remove oversight for the UK chemicals agency, and replace it only with an ability or obligation on the agency to obtain external scientific advice. This would not be sufficient to ensure well-informed and well-balanced decision making, it said. It is concerned that the agency may become a secretive quango, which operates mainly with DEFRA and the chemicals industry, and said that this could be challenged under the Aarhus Convention. Baker questioned whether the UK chemicals agency would have the same committee structures and consultation requirements as in REACH, or whether it would be a much more informal and ad-hoc approach. “We’d be concerned if there wasn’t a set moment within the process to consult with experts, industry and other stakeholders,� she said. It remains unclear who would determine authorisations, or if there would be committees to replace ECHA’s Risk Assessment Committee and Committee for Socio-Economic Analysis. “The decision making of those two bodies is hugely influential and is needed to provide reassurance in the system. We want as much trust and security in the system as possible, that’s what gives it longevity,� she said. The fine detail on many of these points may not be clear until DEFRA places its statutory instrument (SI) on chemicals regulation. “The timeline for the SI keeps moving I think that’s just a reflection on what’s happening within the negotiations�, said Patel.

[Mark]

forced uptake of the Euro and the economic chaos that that would bring to the UK.

Have to disagree - there was no prospect of the UK being forced into uptake of the Euro.
There may have been a 'wish' from the EU, but that's totally different.

I will agree that there "was" no prospect but there certainly will be a prospect if we stay in for much longer. If the Leave vote is reversed the EU will take that as a sign that they can push forward with impunity and the silly buggers who "like to feel European" will not push against anything that they do.

If we stay in we really are up shit creek without a paddle and any austerity which we have suffered will be like a pleasant day in the park in comparison. There you go, Project Reverse Fear" in operation.

Happy to be corrected, but I understand that under Article 50 we can't stay in ?
We could re-join the EU at some point - agree that if we were to do that, the terms on offer are likely to be much worse from a UK standpoint.

[stumuz1]

It does if we get a No Deal Brexit.
Read the whole article - it's not me speaking, these people are in the know....

How does REACH change if we get a no deal?

Remember, Jacob is not a specialist chemical lawyer.

From ENDS.......

Again I ask. How does REACH change if we get a no deal, if REACH is being cut and paste into UK law?

[careful_eugene]

Tommy Robinson?

I don't think so, whatever you think of him he has a history that is distasteful to too many. Having said that, Trump is in the White House so for all I know Grayson Perry could be our next PM!

Have you watched his Oxford Union speech? He is an articulate, charismatic and quite a intelligent chap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQ94jFg_4A

Don't write him off... he can get thousands of supporters of the streets and is being groomed for a role in politics.

Myself, I also see him as a potential wannabe warband leader should we go down that path in the coming decades. Robinson enjoys big support among the grunts of the army and the working class roughs across England.

Yes I have and I agree he is articulate and intelligent, I just think he's tainted. There's too much material showing him fighting or taking the piss out of someones appearance, his opponents have too much material.