Moderator: Peak Moderation
Hey, don't knock it until you've tried itMiss Madam wrote:In answer to the thread title ..... errrr 'a slap'? *I'll get my coat, again* sorry RGR you do make me think (and I appreciate that) but sometimes you remind me of one of those blokes who goes to hookers to get physically abused and pays for it....
RGRRGR wrote:After having begun another round of "internet trolls are everywhere and unless you are on the cover of Economist you aren't worth listening to" with Vortex, I decided to consider the following.
I certainly come across as a bomb thrower, without much in the way of constructive commentary to some. Fair enough. I have explained my way of thinking a time or two, which undoubtedly not everyone caught, and I try not to repeat the basics any more than necessary.
But if I ask myself the question, WHY do I continue in this, it boils down to a simple, realistic answer.
I want people to THINK before they buy in. And I believe they should CONTINUE to do so AFTER they buy in.
Any proof/explanation on that?We THINK we have seen SOME geologic constraints on supply...in SOME places. ALL discoveries of oil are still outpacing consumption by a good margin ( I include more than new field discoveries of course ). Your question about sustainability works fine in a all encompassing sense, but doesn't apply currently.
Greece is on its second week of riots over high costs, low pay and unemployment.Well, that is one of the more sexier scenario's that American Doomers want to pretend is a natural consequence of higher fuel prices. I tend to think it will cause an ENERGY revolution, which is a good thing, rather than just pissing off people who will then run around and burn things down for fun.
StrawmanThen ask yourself, if we've already discovered THAT many Saudi Arabi's in just 10 years, can it be that difficult to do it again?
I don't think I recall a single poster on Powerswitch ever blaming the oil industry for peak oil.RGR wrote:I resent the fact that my industry, which is responsible for more people living longer, feeding more people and providing a better standard of living to large chunks of the world being blamed or used by some fringe group as a trigger to their own personal orgy of nonsense. In the case of the UK, peak oil isn't the issue, your dependence on foreign suppliers for natural gas can be laid right at the feet of politicians who don't want to build offshore wind farms or more nukes, it isn't peak natural gases fault, or the oil industry. Don't like being an energy importer? Join the club....but it isn't by itself a disaster, and its not the oil industries fault. Want to change it? Join the club, and that isn't the oil industries fault either.
Go blame someone else already. In the meantime, I will continue pointing out the obvious.
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
Hmm.. An attention whoring troll with ADHD. Pretty exotic. Maybe we could sell him to a zoo?Andy Hunt wrote:I don't think I recall a single poster on Powerswitch ever blaming the oil industry for peak oil.RGR wrote:I resent the fact that my industry, which is responsible for more people living longer, feeding more people and providing a better standard of living to large chunks of the world being blamed or used by some fringe group as a trigger to their own personal orgy of nonsense. In the case of the UK, peak oil isn't the issue, your dependence on foreign suppliers for natural gas can be laid right at the feet of politicians who don't want to build offshore wind farms or more nukes, it isn't peak natural gases fault, or the oil industry. Don't like being an energy importer? Join the club....but it isn't by itself a disaster, and its not the oil industries fault. Want to change it? Join the club, and that isn't the oil industries fault either.
Go blame someone else already. In the meantime, I will continue pointing out the obvious.
Sounds like a very large strawman to me. Unless you can find me some quotations RGR.
Hey that's not fair! He might turn into an attention-seeking psycho like that polar bear cub in Germany...erm...oops!MacG wrote:
Hmm.. ... Pretty exotic. Maybe we could sell him to a zoo?
Rhetoric will get you nowhere.RGR wrote:I've already answered this question. I resent the fact that my industry, which is responsible for more people living longer, feeding more people and providing a better standard of living to large chunks of the world being blamed or used by some fringe group as a trigger to their own personal orgy of nonsense.UndercoverElephant wrote: RGR
I am going to say to you exactly what I said before. If you really, truly believe that we are fabricating/imagining this problem - buying into something that really does not exist - then why are you here?
Of course it isn't. This is a failure of human nature and politics, no different to any of the others except for the scale and rapidity of the consequences. The real problem isn't oil depletion - it's overpopulation and the normal human failure to acknowledge a serious problem until it is far too late to do anything about it.In the case of the UK, peak oil isn't the issue, your dependence on foreign suppliers for natural gas can be laid right at the feet of politicians who don't want to build offshore wind farms or more nukes, it isn't peak natural gases fault, or the oil industry. Don't like being an energy importer? Join the club....but it isn't by itself a disaster, and its not the oil industries fault. Want to change it? Join the club, and that isn't the oil industries fault either.
What appears obvious to some people often turns out not to be true, RGR. It is obvious to me that this planet can't support 7bn+ people for more than a couple of generations and it is equally obvious that oil is the single resource on which we are most critically dependent. It is also obvious how that story ends.Go blame someone else already. In the meantime, I will continue pointing out the obvious.
Ah, the cornucopian argument. The point you make is ridiculous: We have been successful in the past at finding and tapping a non-renewable resource, thus we will in future be successful in finding non-renewable resource.... It simply doesnt hold true, and cannot work that way.Then ask yourself, if we've already discovered THAT many Saudi Arabi's in just 10 years, can it be that difficult to do it again? Very Happy
I can see why your status as troll is well deserved what with your continued desire to avoid giving serious answers. So on the one hand you attempt to correct my comment about depletion rate as above by saying oil declines will matter then suggest that there will be easy economic solutions to peak oil and less oil won't be a problem. Now make up your mind!RGR wrote:Well, the planners who have to plan for the transition, for one.Bozzio wrote: Who cares whether the rate of depletion is 6% or 0.0006%.
I'm an oil and gas guy, all I know about hydrogen is I can make it from water and a nuclear plant all day long with little chance of someone proclaiming "peak hydrogen".
As far as peak oil and the price of oil? Thats an economic issue, and its obviously an economic solution, which is why the supply of oil, taken by itself, doesn't matter much.
