Running away to Wales.

[RevdTess]

I find some of the comments here extremely offensive, on what was originally a very happy thread for me, as I plan my escape from my nasty little capitalist cage.

Where does all this pointless rage come from and why on this subject? Try to see things from someone else's perspective for once, PLEASE. And if you think being sensitive to someone else's feelings is too trendy-lefty for you, maybe you should find another thread to upset people in.

It horrifies me all the more than after any kind of crash, this sort of disagreement could escalate and be resolved with guns, not words.

I was going to reply further on this thread but I'll think I'll take it to PM with the individuals concerned.

[Ben]

I once knew an old farmer in Heptonstall (top of a hill). He told me how, when he was a lad, he and his friends would regularly throw rocks at anyone from Hebden Bridge (bottom of the hill) who tried to come up the steep main road. I laughed and he said "No, I'm serious, we really did. We didn't want strangers up here." He could have been winding me up, of course.

To state the obvious, a lot of different people live in the UK and many of them have moved from somewhere else (probably the majority of people on this forum). If we don't get on now, in the relatively good times, in doesn't bode at all well for the future when times might be tougher.

[RevdTess]

I once knew an old farmer in Heptonstall (top of a hill). He told me how, when he was a lad, he and his friends would regularly throw rocks at anyone from Hebden Bridge (bottom of the hill) who tried to come up the steep main road. I laughed and he said "No, I'm serious, we really did. We didn't want strangers up here." He could have been winding me up, of course.

To state the obvious, a lot of different people live in the UK and many of them have moved from somewhere else (probably the majority of people on this forum). If we don't get on now, in the relatively good times, in doesn't bode at all well for the future when times might be tougher.

Even on the street where I grew up, kids from the main street were insulted and threatened sometimes if they went into the adjoining cul-de-sac. I was once literally told, "You're not from here" when I lived 200 yards away and they knew it. Their attitude was a shock to me then, and it's a shock to me now when I encounter it here. Whether you ignore the locals or try to fit in, someone is gonna think you're a tosser for it, apparently.

And I agree with Ben, if things are like this now, what's it gonna be like in harder times? It's astonishing some of the stuff people come out with whenever the thin veneer of polite agreement breaks down. It certainly makes me start to think the guns&beans brigade have a point.

[JohnB]

I suppose most of us are on here because we're aware that big things are going on in the world, and we want to do our best to prepare for it. It looks like some pretty nasty stuff is not far off, but maybe things won't be as bad as we think, and life could continue pretty much as it has in the past for some time, especially in rural areas. Surely if we're doing big stuff like moving to a new area, we need to do our best to fit in and be accepted. If we don't, it will get pretty lonely while BAU continues, and even more lonely if we're known as the incomers with a house full of guns and baked beans. I think I'd rather be accepted by the local community and risk being killed by the starving hordes, than spend the rest of my life totally isolated.

Maybe we'll be seen as harmless eccentrics with some wacky ideas, but what's wrong with that? Every village needs it's idiot! When TSHTF we'll be there to pass on knowledge and provide help to our neighbours, when they see that we can help, and if they don't feel threatened by us.

[Billhook]

and people wonder why the welsh hate the english so much.

Having been visiting Wales since infancy some decades ago,
and having many cousins scattered across the land,
and having lived in two welsh-speaking communities for a good number of years,
I can't recognize your characterization of "the Welsh" hating "the English."

On the contrary, there are grasping arrogant fools of English descent who get little respect,
and a few no doubt behave so badly as to generate hatred.

But then there also people of Welsh descent whose behaviour earns them few friends.

Surely to caricature the Welsh as hating anyone en-masse as a matter of prejudice
is to traduce the pivotal Welsh sense of fair play ?

Regards,

Billhook

[re]

I can't recognize your characterization of "the Welsh" hating "the English."

I completely agree. I'm English and have lived in South West Wales for 10 years and have never experienced any sort of hatred towards me. There's a bit of friendly banter but that's all.

Whenever I've looked at threads on here about Wales I always find it quite depressing and do not relate it to the Wales I know. ALL my neighbours are the friendliest folk I've ever met - much more so than some of the places I've lived in England.

Remember this is just an internet forum and, like all forums, does not necessarily represent real life.

[2 As and a B]

I find some of the comments here extremely offensive, on what was originally a very happy thread for me, as I plan my escape from my nasty little capitalist cage.

I've just recently joined the forum so missed the beginning of this thread.

Congratulations Tess on starting off on living your dream!

You wrote earlier that you put in an offer below the asking price. I stopped reading the thread after a while as it seemed to wander off into goat talk so I don't know whether you said how "cheap" you got your place. How much land, and what's on it (trees, pasture, stream, etc)?

[DominicJ]

Tess
Allow me to appologise for any distress I have caused, I'd certainly hate to turn you into a beans, guns and bug out bags loon.
In my view, things are going to get bad, the more I learn, the more I see going wrong.
For reasons I (and others) explained, or gave examples of (welshgreen) if things do get bad, someone might deceide your not "one of us" and your stuff is their stuff and your no longer welcome.

It might not be pleasant, but our fantasy world where people "dont" exterminate those who are different is abnormal. Even now, wherever there is any sort of population pressure, it usualy turns violent.

Taking steps to mitigate rising natural gas prices and peak oil should be a full package, as much as we're able and of course proprtionaly.
A years supply of beans and a lifetime supply of bullets will see you dead in days without a water supply.

[Ippoippo]

I can't recognize your characterization of "the Welsh" hating "the English."

I completely agree. I'm English and have lived in South West Wales for 10 years and have never experienced any sort of hatred towards me. There's a bit of friendly banter but that's all.

Agree. This whole "English are just a bunch of arrogant so and so's" and "the Welsh all have a bloody chip on their shoulder (s )" thing just gets tiresome.
It's a shame because the majority of folks get along fine. I'm Welsh (grew up and schooled along the Pembrokeshire/Carmarthenshire border) in a non-Welsh speaking community. Until recently though, lived most of my working life in England. In the same way as when I went to University in Swansea, there's always a bit of banter between us all (especially during Six Nations time). But that's usually it... banter.

That said though, it is somewhat unfortunate that those mindless idiots in the minority will probably be the ones causing the mayhem because of 'percieved differences' between us.

regarding the language and only old codgers speaking it, that is crap. nearly everyone under 19 has learnt welsh and can speak it, maybe not fluently but have a good understanding. its a fast growing subject in wales even in the south.

Can't fully agree with you here I'm afraid. Just because you learnt Welsh at school certainly does not mean you can speak it (to a degree just below fluency say)).
Welsh was compulsory when I was doing GCSEs (so that's 16 years ago, and it was like that for a couple of years before then). At that time, because of the primarily English-speaking culture of where I lived (the south Pembrokeshire influence), it was considered somewhat uncool to learn to speak Welsh. Things have changed somewhat since then, with a 'cool to learn Welsh' thing starting to happen... but nearly all my fellow classmates probably have the same understanding of Welsh as me... very minimal (I probably know more spoken Japanese than Welsh, though Welsh is easier to read!).

[welshgreen]

lets forget about all this problem with language can we please? we have more problems than language. the fact of the matter is more people are learning it but due to the huge amount of people who speak english 99% Cymraeg is never ever going to be the dominant language again all the tv is in english apart from S4C and who watches that? as for the uncool thing I was the same when I was in school.

[JohnB]

Cymraeg is never ever going to be the dominant language again all the tv is in english apart from S4C and who watches that?

I watched it very occasionally in Somerset when I had a telly. With subtitles of course

[RenewableCandy]

...A years supply of beans and a lifetime supply of bullets will see you dead in days without a water supply.

erm...I take it you're talking about New South Wales ?

[DominicJ]

Im under the impression that the people who buy 3 million bullets and a case of beans wouldnt know how to collect rainwater.
Or have a water filtration system ect.

Even Wales is dry some days.
Not days in the conventional sense, but lots of days that exist outside normal space/time are dry in wales.

[RevdTess]

Even Wales is dry some days.
Not days in the conventional sense, but lots of days that exist outside normal space/time are dry in wales.

[Andy Hunt]

Yeah man . . . I think I see what you're saying. Far out.