Iran warns of 'consequences' if referred to UN re uranium

Bandidoz · Post by **Bandidoz** » 31 Oct 2005, 03:26

Suppose said country has lied about their level of reserves?

Bozzio · Post by **Bozzio** » 31 Oct 2005, 08:23

snow hope wrote:The Americans are far from perfect and their foreign policy has swung back and forth to a ridiculous extent in the past. But I don't see too many American suicide bombers blowing up Sydney, Delhi, London, Paris, Madrid, Berlin, Moscow, Istanbul, etc.

No, the US and UK just start legal (or illegal - Iraq?) wars instead under the guise of humanitarian need in order to carry out their bombings.

snow hope wrote:There are certain countries in the world that do seem to pose a greater threat than others - surely to goodness we are not too naieve to accept that?

This comes back to my first point - be careful of the propoganda.

newmac · Post by **newmac** » 31 Oct 2005, 08:26

Bandidoz is correct.

The irony of people on a peak oil forum using supposed high oil and gas reserve figures question to whether a country should diversify its energy portfolio....

There should be debate over whether Iran should diversify with nuclear - i.e. cost benefit, environmental benefit or whether something else would be beneficial.

Bozzio · Post by **Bozzio** » 31 Oct 2005, 12:29

newmac wrote:There should be debate over whether Iran should diversify with nuclear - i.e. cost benefit, environmental benefit or whether something else would be beneficial.

Agreed

fishertrop · Post by **fishertrop** » 16 Nov 2005, 14:33

Wag the Dog
Crisis Scenarios for Deflecting Attention from the President's Woes
By Michael T. Klare

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=36399

There are many who claim that Bush could not possibly contemplate military action against Iran, Syria, or any other hostile power at present. American forces, they argue, are stretched to the limit in Iraq and so lack the capacity to undertake a significant campaign in another country......

Totally_Baffled · Post by **Totally_Baffled** » 16 Nov 2005, 15:40

fishertrop wrote:Wag the Dog
Crisis Scenarios for Deflecting Attention from the President's Woes
By Michael T. Klare

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=36399

There are many who claim that Bush could not possibly contemplate military action against Iran, Syria, or any other hostile power at present. American forces, they argue, are stretched to the limit in Iraq and so lack the capacity to undertake a significant campaign in another country......

I understand the logic of this article, but I'm not sure another war could be used to deflect from the presidents woes.

The reason being that it would give him even more woes!!

if an Iranian conflict causes and economic meltdown at home , are the American people really going to say...

" Im unemployed, cannot afford to eat , and I have lost the house, but hey there is a war on so I am prepared to make the sacrifice. I will still vote Republican"

My arse

grinu · Post by **grinu** » 17 Nov 2005, 20:19

If it is spun to show that not going to war would have the same effect on the economy, then how would the public react? The euro bourse is going to cause a few headaches.

Totally_Baffled · Post by **Totally_Baffled** » 18 Nov 2005, 10:41

grinu wrote:If it is spun to show that not going to war would have the same effect on the economy, then how would the public react? The euro bourse is going to cause a few headaches.

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/vie ... 5&start=15

Read this post from Mr Bill at PO.com.

It makes a VERY convincing case that this euro bourse WILL NOT happen.

In which case there is no longer any urgency to invade IRan on the basis of the euro bourse collapsing the US dollar.

I would appreciate everyones view on the points raised in mr Bill's post.

Thanks

Totally_Baffled · Post by **Totally_Baffled** » 18 Nov 2005, 10:42

Apologies about the big font, no idea how i did that!

fishertrop · Post by **fishertrop** » 18 Nov 2005, 11:29

If it's spun that "we are in dire straights because of what Iran has done to us", people will back conflict and endure suffering.

You have to be able to BLAME someone.

I actually wish Totally_Baffled was in the white house because he thinks logically, sensibly and sanely - the only time I disagree with him is when he suggets the current occupants also think like that.

grinu · Post by **grinu** » 18 Nov 2005, 17:41

I'm no expert in these things, but presumably the main thing that the US would have a problem with would be if Iran started selling oil in euros rather than dollars. Can this only be done if they set up a bourse or could they choose to do that anyway?

If they can do that anyway then I suppose it wouldn't be the bourse itself that would be the threat, but the selling of oil in euro's and the associated decline of the dollar.

I'm just trying to understand a complex issue...

fishertrop · Post by **fishertrop** » 19 Nov 2005, 20:14

Friendly fire and the US in Iran
By Neda Bolourchi

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GK18Ak02.html

In recent months, the Mujahideen-e Khalq (MEK) and its attempts to prove that the Islamic Republic of Iran intends to develop nuclear weapons garnered widespread media coverage and speculation. While bringing forth a modicum of new information, the attention fails to illuminate just how dangerous the MEK could be to the United States.

fishertrop · Post by **fishertrop** » 06 Dec 2005, 22:02

Russia to price oil in euros in snub to US
money.telegraph.co.uk

A switch to euro invoicing would not affect the long-term price of oil but it could encourage Middle Eastern exporters to follow suit and have a powerful effect on market psychology at a time when the dollar is already under intense pressure.

Post by **mikepepler** » 07 Dec 2005, 07:51

fishertrop wrote:Russia to price oil in euros in snub to US
money.telegraph.co.uk

I think this is big news, at least for the dollar if not for oil. What on earth wil the US do? When Iraq tried it they attacked, but they can't do that to Russia. Can they? Will it be economic warfare?

Totally_Baffled · Post by **Totally_Baffled** » 07 Dec 2005, 09:36

Holy sh*t !!

Presumably if they are doing this gradually overtime , this will depreciate the dollar over time.(unless everyone starts selling off ahead of the depreciation)

Which will mean the Americans will have to raise interest rates to support their currency.

The catch 22 here is , will the Russians/EU WANT to crash the world economy?

If US interest rates go to 6%-10%, then Joe average US consumer is bankrupt and there goes 25% of the worlds economy!

'When America Sneezes the rest of the world catches a cold".

EEEEEEEEEEEEEK!