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I would see myself as a member of the Honourable Society of RatsTess wrote: By fluffybunnies I meant those people for whom petrocollapse can only be a good thing, as a new age of enlightened co-operation will ensue as the world simultaneously realises within its global consciousness that sustainable peaceful community is the crowning glory of humanity.
Dead right! Power to the peopleQuote:
Think of projects like future communities, permaculture and other self-sufficient things. Which things going on in society will end up causing a phase change is hard to see. Some times it can be a small thing that nobody notices that can cause society to change into a completely new direction. Only time will tell but we do have an advantage over most complex systems; we can think ahead and plan.
I work as Sustainable Energy Officer for my local Council.
There you go! One small bit that could be part of the phase change
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
I hope we can patch the hole in the side and keep the ship afloat. I know were going to lose the diesel engines, but with a bit of ingenuity we should be able to improvise some sails. Wont be able to go very fast but at least we'll be able to maintain a heading.MacG wrote: What about an allegory?
It dont make sense to get out in a lifeboat as long as the big ship is afloat. It's cold and nasty out in those small boats.
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yeah, fast burning stuff like corrupt politicians and wealthy/fat CEOs
you have to be careful the tallow doesn't clog up your grate, though. I heard a story from a service engineer who had been called out to sort out a wood stove which wasn't working properly.
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
ROFL!!Andy Hunt wrote:It turned out that the owners had tried to cremate their dead cat in the stove. It had put out the fire, and they couldn't light it again because it was all clogged up with cat fat!
Should have used the microwave instead 
Whereas if you burn corrupt politicians and wealthy CEOs it'll get clogged up with fat cat.Andy Hunt wrote:yeah, fast burning stuff like corrupt politicians and wealthy/fat CEOs
It turned out that the owners had tried to cremate their dead cat in the stove. It had put out the fire, and they couldn't light it again because it was all clogged up with cat fat!
I'll try. Though after a few bottles of burgundy my aim wont be up to much..MacG wrote:Could you toss the iPod to us in the lifeboat? It could break the bore a bit. Just hope someone share your taste in music...skeptik wrote:If I time it right I should just be on the last glass as the water comes up over the rail...
Whereas if you burn corrupt politicians and wealthy CEOs it'll get clogged up with fat cat.
Brilliant!Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
I think I am likely to jump into the lifeboat just before the ship goes down. The trouble is we haven't a clue where the lifeboats will go..... if we are lucky they may get to somewhere where life will continue, on the other hand they might drift about and never get anywhere.isenhand wrote:<<I hope we can patch the hole in the side and keep the ship afloat.>>
I think a lot of people hope to just patch up the ship as it sinks. With proposals to reform this or reform that and keep to business as usual for as long as possible or as close to it as possible. Personally I think the ship is going down anyway, so I?m for the lifeboats and I wouldn?t want to keep this ship afloat as I don?t like the destination (the land of greed and selfishness where the trees don?t grow any more). Better in the life boats on board a new ship heading for somewhere better. Heading for a radical change in ship design and a new destination.
Anyway, I think we are loosing track of the real issue here that is; are fluffy bunnies pink or blue?
I'm with you on that one. That's my preferred/ideal low energy future also. I do doubt though that such a vision is really sustainable without slipping into violence rather than co-operation. Wasn't it in the mad max movies that the peaceful post-apocalyptic farmer is trying to insist to max that he will reason with the raiders and that cooperation will win the day? Obviously it doesnt turn out the way he expected. And this I suppose is what stops me working for this future of kindness and communality: I know that it will attract the monsters, and that it will be destroyed either from without or within.isenhand wrote: Don?t we? I have an idea where I would like the lifeboat to head. A land of networked communities where each community is in balance with the ecosystem and cooperates with other communities so we maintain the highest standard of living for the longest time possible.
