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What type of doomer are you?

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...and which category if any does PowerSwitch fall into? :)
Kathy McMahon of peakoilblues.com wrote:Philosopher Doomers

What is humanity?s place in the world? What is our essential nature? It?s common to ask ?can we survive? but ?should we survive?? Would our extinction benefit non-human life on Earth? These are the types of questions that engage a Philosopher Doomer, and these aren?t the rarefied debates that happen in undergraduate philosophy class. Their struggles with the meaning of planetary devastation puts them in the throes of a crisis that they can only resolve by intense personal struggle. debate, and self-reflection.

Ecosophic Subtype

Philosopher Doomers can be powerful advocates for environmental and species preservation, once they have asked and answered (for now) profound questions, and have made some sense of what?s going on around them. While the resolution to that struggle may be personal, the actions they choose to take may not be. They can be mighty warriors in the fight to save the Planet. They don?t see the goal as ?personal survival,? if the planet itself becomes unlivable. These Ecosophic philosophers among us speak of a respect for non-human species, and possess a fierce critique of conventional scientific and religious thought. They dwell on deep and universal truths, and we do well to reflect on their words, if we are strong enough to bear the message. They help us see our place in the world as only a tiny part of the ecosystem.

Nihilistic Subtype

Others are asking whether life has any inherent meaning. Those new to Peak Oil can often struggle with these themes and we do well to hear them out, rather than jump to reassure them that ?everything will work out?You wait and see.? They can disturb our own sense of ?what?s normal? to think, and their pain is deep and moving. We might consider this subtype the ?Nihilistic? Doomer, and it can either be a stage of awareness or be adopted as a philosophical framework. There are many other subtypes of Philosopher Doomers, and some may reject the ?Doomer? label, itself. These include ones we might label ?Primitivists,? ?Neo-Luddites,? and ?Neo-Pagans? to name but a few. What they have in common is an attempt to develop a perspective on life that captures within it the most pressing questions facing all life on Earth.


Deadbeat Doomers

Philosophical Doomers examine the deepest questions of what is the meaning of life here on Earth, and what our place should be in it. Some have faced deep discouragement, and struggle with the senselessness of it all, and have taken the posture of truth-sayers, prophets, advocates, and provocateurs.

Others have reached the decision that nothing can or should be done. This decision may have been reached after varying degrees of thoughtful reflection. Among them, are those who prefer not to think on these things deeply at all, but see the Nihilistic position as an easy way to avoid struggle, or having to motivate themselves to do anything inconvenient at all. ?It?s all hopeless!? is an excuse that allows them to avoid changing anything in their lives, and to direct their anger against other people who try. I?ll call these Doomers ?Deadbeats.? Deadbeat Doomers, mock and ridicule even the discussion of direct action: ?You talk and plan because you are hairless apes and that?s what hairless apes do! Talk on! It?s pointless!? It is ?too lame? for a Deadbeat Doomer to ask ?what should be done?? because they?ve decided that no action promises guaranteed success. They?ve comfortable with the position that ?nothing can be done,? and proudly proclaim ?I don?t store food!?

Their inaction is a logical consequence of their hopelessness: ?We?re all screwed, so don?t ask anything of me!? A Deadbeat Doomer might happily write about how hopeless everything is, but often they don?t bother. ?You all suck anyway, so it isn?t worth my time.? They are the snipers, flaming others in Peak Oil chat rooms. More frightening, they are the folks encouraging those in the grips of nihilistic despair to ?Go ahead. Kill yourself! The planet will be better off!?

Not all are hostile, however. Some simply choose to carry on the same way as before their Peak Oil awareness. Why? Despite the ?Nihilistic? facade, it comes down to the fact that it?s simply easier that way. Others find the resolution to ?hopelessness? in the pursuit of hedonistic pleasure. ?If it?s all going down anyway, I?m gonna get mine, while it?s still here.?

Feelings of futility and hopelessness are not the sole purview of Nihilistic or Deadbeat Doomers, and neither is using hopelessness as an excuse for inaction. We may all seem like Deadbeats when we first learn about Peak Oil, and are struggling with our place in it all. We often ask not only what ?can? be done, but also what ?should? be done, if anything. We feel like throwing up our hands and proclaiming ?It?s hopeless!? during setbacks. But most of us wear these feelings uncomfortably, and prefer to believe that ?doing something? is preferable to ?doing nothing.? We can bear the discomfort of being wrong.

While Philosopher Doomers question essential notions of our place in the world, Deadbeat Doomers challenge the utility of action itself. We all have inner nagging doubts about which actions will be the most constructive, and Deadbeat Doomers highlight fears that we may be wasting our time. They can be the provocateurs, the angry dissenters, the nay-sayers of hope. They speak to our deepest fears of hopelessness, and futility and the industrious next type, the ?Do More Doomers,? especially, resent them for it.


Do-More Doomers

The final type are the ?Do-More Doomers.? In contrast to the concern that adopting a ?doom and gloom? outlook will lead to hopelessness and inaction, these Doomers see the serious state of the world as a call to action. To the Do-More Doomer, all is not lost and even if it is, there?s still lots of work to be done!

Although discouraged at the global level, Do-More Doomers can be optimistic about the capacity of a small group to create meaning in their lives, and promote sustainable communities, often called ?lifeboats.? They may vary in the degree to which they believe such efforts will bring about meaningful community change, but nevertheless, put effort toward that goal. They are founders and volunteers of local sustainability groups. They write books and ebooks that help frame the nature of the problem, and encourage all to lead more self-sufficient lives. They try to create a new focus, a ?decentralization team? that favors all the diversity, variety, contrasts, and struggles that such a notion suggests. They want less ?stuff? in their lives, however, as we will learn, ?Do-More Doomers? are the Peak Oil ?shoppers.? They can be easily overwhelmed by the scope of the task, become impractical when assessing what are ?essential? skills, and admire those who have constructed elaborate plans to change the entire world, and become easily frustrated when the world fails to cooperate. They are vulnerable to feelings ranging from expansive grandiosity to a profound fear of inadequacy.

Most of us like to imagine ourselves as ?useful? and ?industrious.? We hope to scare away the horror that we deeply fear, by putting up enough wheat, planting a big enough garden, or motivating our community toward constructive actions.

Do-More Doomers can often times escape into ?doing? in order to avoid ?feeling? the overwhelming sense of despair and hopelessness that the Nihilistic Doomers are well acquainted with.
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Post by PS_RalphW »

Yep, thats me.

I'm an Ecosophic Nihilistic Philosopher Deadbeat Do-More Doomer.

Except when I'm not :)
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As they say, there are two sorts of people:

those who classify people's personalities and those who don't.
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What about the "It's gonna get messy. If you don't bother doing anything now, don't come crying to me when it gets tough" sub-type?
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contadino wrote:What about the "It's gonna get messy. If you don't bother doing anything now, don't come crying to me when it gets tough" sub-type?
One of my friends said to me a couple of weeks ago "I bet you are feeling vindicated/smug now that oil prices are so high." My reply was that I'm too busy worrying about our own lack of preparedness to feel smug about my earlier predictions.
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RW, V and C: Wonderful comments! The reason I'm so fond of this site!
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Post by Vortex »

Sounds good.

We are the:
"Something bad seems to be coming our way. It'll probably be fine and our lovely government & the scientists & Richard Branson will sort everything out .. but just in case, let's take some personal precautions."
type.
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Post by MacG »

Adam1 wrote:
contadino wrote:What about the "It's gonna get messy. If you don't bother doing anything now, don't come crying to me when it gets tough" sub-type?
One of my friends said to me a couple of weeks ago "I bet you are feeling vindicated/smug now that oil prices are so high." My reply was that I'm too busy worrying about our own lack of preparedness to feel smug about my earlier predictions.
Honestly, this is a slight worry and a reason I have kept a low profile the last years - angry people might actually come after US if the supply situation deteriorates. The thick layers of denial and irrationalism does not bode well.
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They are more likely to come after your food stocks!
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Post by Kentucky Fried Panda »

I've become grey man doomer, I've stopped talking about it. Sometimes I can't help myself but on the whole I try to keep a low profile.
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I'm a pessimist.
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Post by frankd2689 »

H i Folks,
I'm back, although you may not have noticed that I hadn't posted for ages.
Unemployed for the first time in 20 years was a bit tricky for a while.
Anyway, we all know the doomer scenario and it's strangely interesting to watch it play out.
It's an 'interesting' time.
Some folks WILL listen, some never will, but I'm not becoming a 'grey man'. We are the people with the best knowledge, background, insight.
Now is the time to bring it on, although, admittedly, you have to choose your moment/audience.
When the shit really hits the fan, I think we need to be visible, we are much more versed in the alternatives for fossil fuels and we need to stop the inevitable shit that will be expounded by so called 'Experts'.

Nice to be back on board.

Cheers

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Post by Adam1 »

Welcome back to doomer central Frank. :(
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Post by YogiEdwards »

I'm a Darwinian Malthusian doomer.

Why proselytise when there's simply not going to be enough land/resources for everyone to survive/have their "fair" share in a post-oil future. May those who are most foresighted and adaptable survive.
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Post by UndercoverElephant »

I'm a textbook example of ecosophic subtype with nihilistic tendencies. Philosophers are allowed to be nihilists. Malthus and Darwin were both right, but people still need to be provoked into thinking about the truth. I feel a duty to fight misinformation and propaganda for no other reason than I don't like people believing things which aren't true. How can people make free decisions unless they are being given accurate information?
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