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The National Grid issued warnings TODAY !!!!
A consultation by the National Grid on the UK's winter gas and electricity supply has forecast possible problems in attracting liquified natural gas (LNG) because of higher prices overseas, while gas from Norway may be diverted to the continent, according to UK energy regulator Ofgem.
http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxnews ... on=article
"From Norway we anticipate higher U.K. imports as Ormen Lange production builds up, however we acknowledge the potential for higher deliveries to the Continent at the expense of the U.K.," it said.
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/vi ... -Next.html

Noway? Norway? Norway?
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Never look a gift Norse in the mouth.
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Andy Hunt wrote:Never look a gift Norse in the mouth.
:lol: :lol:

Here we all are, on the brink of mass death on an unprecented scale, and the good old british sense of humour shines through! :D :shock:
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and The Band plays on :P

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Stiff upper lip now, everyone.
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Andy Hunt wrote:He's probably afraid he'll end up looking like Billy Connolly if he can't use his electric beard clippers any more.
I use the dog's electric clippers to trim my beard. It only takes a few hundred milliamps for a few minutes, from my PV module through a cheap inverter. I'll do a demo in August if you like :lol:.
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JohnB wrote:
Andy Hunt wrote:He's probably afraid he'll end up looking like Billy Connolly if he can't use his electric beard clippers any more.
I use the dog's electric clippers to trim my beard. It only takes a few hundred milliamps for a few minutes, from my PV module through a cheap inverter. I'll do a demo in August if you like :lol:.
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Well as long as your dog doesn't mind you using his clippers . . . :)
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Andy Hunt wrote:Well as long as your dog doesn't mind you using his clippers . . . :)
He'd rather I used them on me than on him :lol:. I reckon I'd have enough power to clip him on a sunny day though :D.
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From where does Noel get the idea that we have a "right" to uninterrupted power. We can only have power if we, as a nation, are willing pay for it. And judging by the antics of the www.petrolmorons brigade, we aren't.
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Andy Hunt wrote:Never look a gift Norse in the mouth.
No way.
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emordnilap wrote:
Andy Hunt wrote:Never look a gift Norse in the mouth.
No way.
Especially after they've been on their 48 hr weekend bender. Monday morning Nordic dragon breath can kill at ten paces.
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Vortex wrote:
"From Norway we anticipate higher U.K. imports as Ormen Lange production builds up, however we acknowledge the potential for higher deliveries to the Continent at the expense of the U.K.," it said.
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/vi ... -Next.html

Noway? Norway? Norway?
I am not saying that the Norwegians will send us all the gas we could possibly desire, regardless of what's happening elsewhere on the world market. But even if they end up sending all the gas that it's physically possible for them to send to the Continent, they'll still be producing enough to provide the huge majority of our import requirement this winter and have nowhere else to send it. Moaning about import dependency without acknowledging that is downright dishonest.

It's completely wrong to say that we're dependent on the whimsy of Russia, Iran and some dodgy North Africans. We are not. We have the diversity of capacity, the commercial relations, the flexibility and the money to be able to import gas from pretty much anywhere that exports gas. Yes, there are not as many places that export gas as we might ideally like and they're not all models of stability and good commercial practice, but that is not uniquely a problem for the UK, it's shared by all gas importing nations and plenty of them seem to be doing all right.
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So do you feel Ofgem are wrong then Keepz?

Or do you just feel that we are over-reacting to an extremely unlikely situation?
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Keepz, to quote the IEA from their 2007 Market Review:
The IEA's Gas Market Review 2007(GMR) noted that gas output in IEA member countries is either on a plateau or, in several countries, in decline at a rapid rate. At the same time, demand remains strong. The
GMR also indicates a shortfall in the natural gas supply and infrastructure investments needed to meet increasing demand, leading to the conclusion that the natural gas market is likely to remain tight until 2012, and probably beyond.
If I remember I think they said that gas is even tighter than oil.

I'm not atall convinced that Gas will come to the rescue.

http://www.iea.org/Textbase/publication ... BS_ID=1938
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Keepz, to quote the IEA from their 2007 Market Review:
The IEA's Gas Market Review 2007(GMR) noted that gas output in IEA member countries is either on a plateau or, in several countries, in decline at a rapid rate. At the same time, demand remains strong. The
GMR also indicates a shortfall in the natural gas supply and infrastructure investments needed to meet increasing demand, leading to the conclusion that the natural gas market is likely to remain tight until 2012, and probably beyond.
If I remember I think they said that gas is even tighter than oil.

I'm not atall convinced that Gas will come to the rescue.

http://www.iea.org/Textbase/publication ... BS_ID=1938
The most complete exposition of a social myth comes when the myth itself is waning (Robert M MacIver 1947)
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