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grinu wrote:The US will use UK like a pawn. Have you noticed that the UK seems to be 'leading' the whole Iran thing?
Seriously, can you imagine the reaction here if we joined any action on Iran?

It would be the end for the Labour party at the next election and by a big margin.

It wont happen.

Besides, J Straw has already said war with Iran is Inconceivable.
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Totally_Baffled wrote:
Besides, Straw has already said war with Iran is Inconceivable.
The trouble with liars, is that they do not know when to stop lying.

Straw will say, when the time comes, that he could not have conceived of
war with Iran with the world as it then was, but because of event
XXXXX the world has changed and we now have to think the unthinkable...

I'm not saying it will happen, just that there is no such thing as a
truthful statement from a politition.
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I'm starting to wonder if all this talk about Iran is not just intended as diversion? Make everyone think less about the ongoing crime in Iraq when new horrors are proposed?
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Straw will say, when the time comes, that he could not have conceived of
war with Iran with the world as it then was, but because of event
XXXXX the world has changed and we now have to think the unthinkable...
You are right, the only way a war with Iran could be sold to the public is by some unspeakable event.

But then we are getting into conspiracy theory again, the implication being that that the event would be set up by the UK/US.

I tend to be skeptical about such theories since the government fails to keep trivial things secret , let alone serious stuff like this!
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Totally_Baffled wrote: Hmm that maybe delving into conspiracy type stuff.
Actually I'm not much of a fan of conspiracy theories generally, and am nuetral overall on the possibility of conflict with Iran.

With regard to a mid-east start to a world mega-crisis actually being the aim of a US thrust, I think perhaps we just have quite different views on how we think the US administration and the US generally actually works.

It's worth noting that I wouldn't think such a strategy plausable for any other country but the US.
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Totally_Baffled wrote: I tend to be skeptical about such theories since the government fails to keep trivial things secret , let alone serious stuff like this!
Like the 'Downing Street Memos' which clearly show that the US/UK
government comprehensively conspired to get us into an illegal
war in Iraq? I for one saw plenty of rumours on the internet
well in advance of the invasion that we were being comprehensively
lied to which later turned out to be 90 -95% accurate.
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RalphW wrote:
Totally_Baffled wrote: I tend to be skeptical about such theories since the government fails to keep trivial things secret , let alone serious stuff like this!
Like the 'Downing Street Memos' which clearly show that the US/UK
government comprehensively conspired to get us into an illegal
war in Iraq? I for one saw plenty of rumours on the internet
well in advance of the invasion that we were being comprehensively
lied to which later turned out to be 90 -95% accurate.
Exactly.

This probably why the war was so unpopular, the media and the public were far from convinced by the official line.

This has cost the governement 100 seats of its majority.

Imagine , what another war with even more tenuous reasons is gonna do!

There would be riots!
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http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleVi ... %20Affairs
Iran accuses US of war-mongering: Report

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/19/news/iraq.php
U.S. refuses to rule out Syria strike
Syria and Iran must decide whether they wish to side with the cause of war or with the cause of peace," Rice said at a hearing called to discuss U.S. strategy in Iraq, where more than 150,000 American troops are struggling to end an insurgency.

Pressed by senators over whether the Bush administration was planning military action against Syria in particular, Rice said the United States was still on a "diplomatic course" with Damascus but the military option remained open.

http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/477/69/
Iran: "The main enemy in this case is the United States. The problem between the Iranian nation and the government of Britain is not one of yesterday or today. Even now, they are taking a very bad position, from the leadership to other officials. Their positions are very bad. But, the main enemy is the US government and, most of all, this warmongering, hard-line and extremist administration is after an empire, a global domination."
Few months old but interesting....

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050801/klare
The Iran War Buildup
Repeating what was said at the outset, there is no evidence that President Bush has already made the decision to attack Iran. But there are many indications that planning for such a move is well under way--and if the record of Iraq (and other wars) teaches us anything, it is that such planning, once commenced, is very hard to turn around.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO505A.html
Planned US-Israeli Attack on Iran
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RalphW wrote:
Totally_Baffled wrote: I tend to be skeptical about such theories since the government fails to keep trivial things secret , let alone serious stuff like this!
Like the 'Downing Street Memos' which clearly show that the US/UK
government comprehensively conspired to get us into an illegal
war in Iraq? I for one saw plenty of rumours on the internet
well in advance of the invasion that we were being comprehensively
lied to which later turned out to be 90 -95% accurate.
What got me on Iraq was that reading a single pamphlet containing an interview with Scott Ritter, former US marine and former UN weapons inspector in Iraq, to convince me, and everyone who read it, that Iraq had no WMD. I fully expected some to be planted shortly after the war, just to sell the story - it would have helped TB out at least, if not GWB.

With Iran, the concern is that the bourse may push the neo-cons over the edge. TB has nothing to lose so can throw us into that conflict with impunity.
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Now Iran wants to "wipe Israel off the map". Things do seem to be escalating....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4380306.stm
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:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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It's like watching someone slowly build a wall, block by block, that will spell war when it's done.
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grinu wrote:It's like watching someone slowly build a wall, block by block, that will spell war when it's done.
Excellent analogy. Sadly true - but I really hope not. :cry:
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IMO this is no more troubling than what's currently going on in the Levant: Israel is in a constant state of war with her neighbours anyway - I was there during a period of "peace" and there were still farily regular reports in the Jerusalem Post of rocket attacks from Lebanon-based Hamas operatives and buses getting blown up in Israeli cities.

The troubling aspect to this is that Iran could develop nuclear weapons in the future, but even then, Tehran and Tel Aviv are only 988 miles apart - would you drop a nuke that close to yourself? Not only that, but if Iran did try to nuke Israel, the ensuing effects on Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and possibly Kuwait & Iraq (not to mention areas of Palastinian 'control') wouldn't exactly make them popular in the Arab world. I just can't see them doing something that mental.

That's not to say that a re-run of the Yom Kippur war isn't possible
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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3 ... 77,00.html

Then on Sky News World Report, Mr Blair refused to endorse the Foreign Secretary's view that a military confrontation with Iran is "inconceivable".
:shock:

Well, thats just blown my views out of the water!!!!!! :oops:
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