We've had it.

[peaky2]

Noble principles to be sure and on this web site I am sure that we are all like minded individuals who would wish such a transition to occur.

There's only one problem - the sheeple.

When TSHTF I'm afraid that logical solutions will be the last thing on their minds. If you've got it, they'll want it.

That may be well and true. And it may not. The question I'd ask again is, so what solutions are you proposing other than an electric fence round your house and guns? Or are you just going to party while everything slides into the pit? Or, if you think there's a chance that we could get people to wake up how would you start or encourage that process?

And I'm not sitting here in some happy-happy cloud cuckoo land. It doesn't take more than 5 minutes looking at the mainstream papers, or the hordes shopping blindly in the big shopping centre here in Brighton, or the appalling attitude to waste and the overflowing bins and disregard for others, or the huge car queues coming here every weekend. Those of us in TB&H can clearly see we've got a big job on our hands here as has any Transition City. At the conference it was clear that we have many issues for which there's currently next to no model to guide us: issues of scale, arable land availability, demographic extremes, racial and ethnic differences and more. That was why we realised we needed our own conference to work out a way we can help each other with this.

Personally, I can't just sit back and wash my hands of the whole thing when I believe that there may, perhaps be a way to a better future and if there is a chance of that I've got to try for it. I couldn't live with myself otherwise.

[Vortex]

Our only chance, as I have said before, is to get the Alpha Males (and Females) on the case.

These are the ones that make things happen.

Once we have a few hundred of such people motivated, educated, working & funded then we might have a chance ... but even then, can we influence India, China, the Islamic world ..... ?

[Bandidoz]

Having just seen 11th Hour I now realise that we are stuffed.

I saw it too, it was more depressing than reading www.dieoff.org. I was dismayed at it being such a gloomy programme that it would completely succeed in turning off 99.999% of people who need to watch it.

[biffvernon]

Oh do cheer up. They pointed out that after the humans get wiped out the planet will restore itself to it's beautiful self again. Let's all watch Ch4 at 9pm tonight folks

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsi ... index.html

[Adam1]

Oh do cheer up. They pointed out that after the humans get wiped out the planet will restore itself to it's beautiful self again. Let's all watch Ch4 at 9pm tonight folks

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsi ... index.html

I'm curious about this programme. It looks like it's based on the book "The World Without Us".

[Vortex]

It's like standing at the centre of a road junction: cars & trucks are racing directly at you from all points of the compass ... where & how can you jump to safety?

[Aurora]

Noble principles to be sure and on this web site I am sure that we are all like minded individuals who would wish such a transition to occur.

There's only one problem - the sheeple.

When TSHTF I'm afraid that logical solutions will be the last thing on their minds. If you've got it, they'll want it.

That may be well and true. And it may not. The question I'd ask again is, so what solutions are you proposing other than an electric fence round your house and guns? Or are you just going to party while everything slides into the pit? Or, if you think there's a chance that we could get people to wake up how would you start or encourage that process?

Electric fence round your house and guns? Your words not mine my friend. To reiterate, I applaud any initiative that will mitigate the inevitable deterioration of our society.

I am sure that most people who read or contribute to this web site would agree. We, after all, are probably not as callous by nature as the short-sighted majority who persist in trying to ride the BAU gravy train.

I care deeply for the sick, elderly and disadvantaged and have offered a physical and financial presence to a number of organisations for many years. I will continue to do so - rain or shine.

Unfortunately, history proves that when a society begins to falter, a number of things happen.

The first is the break down of local law and order.

The second is the inevitable draconian response from local civil and military services.

The third is the nationalisation of every asset of any note by an increasingly despotic government, anxious to retain control.

I suspect that any local TT initiatives would be swept aside in the headlong rush to enforce a totalitarian rule.

Not much of a choice really. Mugged locally by an angry, knife-waving mob looking for food, warmth and shelter or mugged at a distance by some pen-waving megalomaniac in Whitehall.

[peaky2]

Electric fence round your house and guns? Your words not mine my friend.

Indeed and I wasn't intending to suggest that that was your plan - more of one of my grandiose generalising sweeps ... No slur intended on your good self.

[Smithy]

No, these films just sap the energy needed to get through it all, as I stated earlier switched it over to watch Shrek, A far superior film.

What people need is a film with concrete solutions or the PM appearing on a broadcast to the nation pledging us all into a Dunkirk spirit to decouple ourselves from cheap oil and progressive energy issues.

Few will want to change their lives sufficiently without being shocked out of their rut. When shown publicly these films can be followed by discussions on the positive side of Transition Towns, so that people go home with hope...

[Little John]

Having just seen 11th Hour I now realise that we are stuffed.

We simply can't do enough to turn all the convergent problems around in an organised manner.

We will simply wait until bits start dropping off our system ... famines, riots, power cuts ... which will give our masters the opportunity to go all Churchillian on us: States Of Emergency, curfews and all that.

Once THAT starts all bets are off ...

Maybe those survivalists in Idaho or wherever have the right idea ...

Do you REALLY think that that Transition Towns run by white middle class Lib-Dems will save us?

Once the road gets rough, it will be town against country, Moslem against the rest, wide-boy against the mugs ... etc ... etc ...

The only question is WHEN all this kicks off. Certainly within 20 years, maybe 10 or so ...

The only hope is if the USA starts a Manhattan style project ... Europe and the UK certainly haven't got the intestinal fortitude to do it!

Does anyone here REALLY think that I'm wrong?

No, you are not wrong.

Those of us who think this is the going to be the case need to organise so that we can retain some sort of civilised existence for ourselves by biulding srong interdepndant communites.

By force if neccessary.

[energy-village]

No, you are not wrong.

Those of us who think this is the going to be the case need to organise so that we can retain some sort of civilised existence for ourselves by biulding srong interdepndant communites.

By force if neccessary.

I agree, BUT ...

... will the locals allow them to "retain some sort of civilised existence"? I believe that the UK (and especially England) will have a front row seat for whatever horrors unfold.

A community of "white, middle class, Lib-Dems" living an Iron Age existence in a Peak Oil age? Something like this perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e7ZLWz3UMw

Alas, I don't fancy their chances when the great unwashed get restless.

[Ludwig]

The only hope is if the USA starts a Manhattan style project ... Europe and the UK certainly haven't got the intestinal fortitude to do it!

Signs are that there is something in the pipeline, but involving genetically-targeted bioweapons rather than nukes:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfron ... 2_400.html

Lots of world-class microbiologists have been dying in "interesting" circumstances over the past few years. On hearing about those French students' murders last week, my first thought was, "I bet they were microbiologists" and I was pretty close (they were bioengineers specialising in DNA sequencing). (I'm now wondering how long it is before they start rounding up everyone who's done an Internet search on "america bioweapons" - not that I'm paranoid or anything.)

[RGR]

The only hope is if the USA starts a Manhattan style project ... Europe and the UK certainly haven't got the intestinal fortitude to do it!

Does anyone here REALLY think that I'm wrong?

Nope.

[oilslick]

Do you REALLY think that that Transition Towns run by white middle class Lib-Dems will save us?

Vortex, that made me crack up! Funniest line I've read in days, including the ones I've writeen

[oilslick]

While we're at it we might as well tackle cancer, bad breath and that funny English accent you Brits seem to have when talking but not singing.

Can we keep our dodgy teeth? I'd hate for us to go all 'plastic American'?