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What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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I think he would laugh at that :D
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biffvernon wrote:I think he would laugh at that :D
Certainly! He is known for laughing. Part of the brand.
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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
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Yep thats accurate, I am an anarchist communist and that hit it bang on!
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I am an anarchist communist
I think you can pills to fix that.
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Vortex wrote: I think you can pills to fix that.
maybe you should take some for your grammar.
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you hvae a pniot.

Nor gnerealely kwonn but if you slepl wrods wtih the frsit and lsat ltteres in pcale wrehe you palce the orhtes deos not mtaetr.

Any flue know taht.
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welshgreen wrote:
Vortex wrote: I think you can pills to fix that.
maybe you should take some for your grammar.
Oops ... typo alert ... not grammar alert :shock: :oops:
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greg wrote:you hvae a pniot.

Nor gnerealely kwonn but if you slepl wrods wtih the frsit and lsat ltteres in pcale wrehe you palce the orhtes deos not mtaetr.

Any flue know taht.
Bloody West Country farmers :lol: :lol:
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fifthcolumn wrote:I didn't need this test to know that I'm a capitalist pig and you lot are not.
  • DENNIS: An' how'd you get that, eh? By exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our society! If there's ever going to be any progress--
    WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh -- how d'you do?
    ARTHUR:How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who's castle is that?
    WOMAN: King of the who?
    ARTHUR: The Britons.
    WOMAN: Who are the Britons?
    ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.
    WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
    DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
    WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
    DENNIS: That's what it's all about if only people would--
    ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
    WOMAN: No one live there.
    ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
    WOMAN: We don't have a lord.
    ARTHUR: What?
    DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
    ARTHUR: Yes.
    DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.
    ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
    DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
    ARTHUR: Be quiet!
    DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
    ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
    WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
    ARTHUR: I am your king!
    WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
    ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
    WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
etc etc.
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I have an ongoing argument with the hippies who are into electronic dance music.

From time to time they will do a 'fund raising' event for the local 'green gathering'. They kind of see it as supporting a charity, a 'good thing to do' which gives a good feeling.

What they don't seem to 'get' is that in a few years they will be dependent upon the 'green' scene for their very existence. Dance music parties need electricity, and I doubt whether night clubs for hippy dance parties are going to be at the top of the list of priorities when the shortages bite.

These people think they have the 'right' to play loud dance music through big PA systems, because they 'offset' the electricity in other ways - planting trees, vegetarian diets etc. All good things to do, but I can't get it through to them that these things won't solve their problems when electricity simple isn't available. Only a capacity to generate their own electricity via renewables etc will do.

But they don't get it . . . they are too busy being 'right'.
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Andy Hunt wrote:I have an ongoing argument with the hippies who are into electronic dance music.

From time to time they will do a 'fund raising' event for the local 'green gathering'. They kind of see it as supporting a charity, a 'good thing to do' which gives a good feeling.

What they don't seem to 'get' is that in a few years they will be dependent upon the 'green' scene for their very existence. Dance music parties need electricity, and I doubt whether night clubs for hippy dance parties are going to be at the top of the list of priorities when the shortages bite.

These people think they have the 'right' to play loud dance music through big PA systems, because they 'offset' the electricity in other ways - planting trees, vegetarian diets etc. All good things to do, but I can't get it through to them that these things won't solve their problems when electricity simple isn't available. Only a capacity to generate their own electricity via renewables etc will do.

But they don't get it . . . they are too busy being 'right'.

Like you say, I have an ongoing argument with those who are into the techno fix.

But it's aa grist tae the mill, likes.
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Andy, introduce them to these excellent folk:

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"right"
"I feel that I am in the right position to be able to sort out the problems that we have now," he said.
He blamed "international factors" for rising oil and food prices and housing market problems and said he was taking the right action to deal with them.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said he is the right man to steer the country through difficult economic times.
Back to the original thread topic....

Chris - I really have no idea what you are on about! :wink: :wink:
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Yep, that's it! But why is he the right person? Why are these actions the right ones? Whether it's right or not is for us to decide not him.

Did everyone hear his interview on the Today programme this morning? I hate Gordon Brown... and I don't hate many people!
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clv101 wrote:Yep, that's it! But why is he the right person? Why are these actions the right ones? Whether it's right or not is for us to decide not him.

Did everyone hear his interview on the Today programme this morning? I hate Gordon Brown... and I don't hate many people!
"He got us into many of the problems so, hopefully, he can get us out." It's an inference that he would hope we don't make, I think.
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