Strike on at Grangemouth

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 25 Apr 2008, 13:37

"Just because you're paranoid it does not mean they are NOT out to get you..."

should read:

"Just because you're NOT paranoid it does not mean they are NOT out to get you..."

MacG · Post by **MacG** » 25 Apr 2008, 13:39

Vortex wrote: should read:

"Just because you're NOT paranoid it does not mean they are NOT out to get you..."

Indeed!

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 25 Apr 2008, 13:50

MacG, are you British?

If not, your English is top notch.

stumuz · Post by **stumuz** » 25 Apr 2008, 15:01

wot like mine isnt

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 25 Apr 2008, 15:36

You have to question why the UK Govt. is allowing this to happen. I find it unbelieveable really, unless of course they want to let it happen...... which by my logic seems to be increasingly the case.

fifthcolumn · Post by **fifthcolumn** » 25 Apr 2008, 15:39

snow hope wrote:You have to question why the UK Govt. is allowing this to happen. I find it unbelieveable really, unless of course they want to let it happen...... which by my logic seems to be incresingly the case.

Yes.

Speculating on this it seems we're either at peak now or else we will be at peak at latest next year. If we stay on a plateau we're probably "ok" for maybe five years and any declines will be small due to increasing usage in the exporting countries home markets.

If we get a DECLINE then the net dropoff for export will be magnified and could be in the double digits. A reduction like that would mean doubling of petrol prices every year at a minimum.

Since the UK will be a net importer again in 2009 it makes a kind of sense to try to crush demand by creating artificial shortages ahead of time. Maybe this is planned.

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 25 Apr 2008, 15:41

You have to question why the UK Govt. is allowing this to happen. I find it unbelievable really, unless of course they want to let it happen...... which by my logic seems to be increasingly the case.

There a big team in the govt working on energy issues - they would have pressed the panic button by now if needed.

Perhaps this isn't so important in the national scheme of things?

The lights are unlikely to go out, a handful of Scots have minor problems ....

Maybe the PENSION issue driving the dispute is more important than the energy issue?

If nationally we over-react to this, what can we do if/when we hit a MAJOR energy crisis?

Post by **adam2** » 25 Apr 2008, 15:56

adam2 wrote:Despite being a doomer at heart, I still suspect that a last minute deal will be done and that the strike will be called off.

(still did a bit of panic buying though just in case)

Famous last words!
If I had a hat I might have to eat it!

Post by **mikepepler** » 25 Apr 2008, 16:06

Ineos: Union Refusing To Maintain Forties Pipe Pwr Supply

Ineos PLC will be unable to maintain power and steam supplies to a key North Sea oil facility during a 48-hour strike planned Sunday, a company spokesman said Friday.
A shutdown of the 210,000-barrel-a-day Grangemouth oil refinery, which has now been completed, will remove crucial steam and power supplies to BP PLC's (BP) Kinneil gas processing plant.
"Despite our repeated requests, the unions refused to supply steam and power to Kinneil," the Ineos spokesman said. The steam and power plant remains online, but only for "safety reasons," and supplies won't be sufficient to operate Kinneil.

tomhitchman · Post by **tomhitchman** » 25 Apr 2008, 17:24

from the channel 4 email bulletin on tonights programme:

"The big unknown is how the public will behave. Tonight we hope to hear from unions, the energy firms affected and a former head of civil contingencies (who dealt with the panic buying during the hauliers' fuel blockade in 2000) about what might happen in the next 48 hours."

Think this might just be a 'its going to be fine good people of Scotland' like it was last night but will watch in any case.

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 25 Apr 2008, 18:44

Tess wrote:There's an awful lot of tinfoil hat posts in this thread...

Still think they are tinfoil hat posts?

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 25 Apr 2008, 18:51

Vortex wrote: There a big team in the govt working on energy issues -

Is there? I suppose you mean dealing with the here-and-now rather than planning for the future, mind.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 25 Apr 2008, 19:49

Things are looking decidedly 'iffy'.

I'm thinking of opening a post PO shop. Anyone interested in becoming a partner?

MacG · Post by **MacG** » 25 Apr 2008, 19:54

Vortex wrote:MacG, are you British?

If not, your English is top notch.

Gee.. thnx. Or are you ironic? You Britons always excel in irony passing over my head...

Sometimes it's actually a problem with being to fluent with the language - since I'm not born and raised in British culture, there are a lot of social codes I don't understand, and Britons perceive me as rude. If I had a worse language they had been much more tolerant with the "poor foreigner".

It's VERY obvious when driving in the UK - when I drive a car with Swedish signs and steering wheel on the left, the Britons are extremely tolerant and courteous and gives way, smile and wave when I do small mistakes, but when driving a rented British car, I see nothing but fists and hear nothing but honking horns if I hesitate more than a millisecond in a crossing or such.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 25 Apr 2008, 21:34

Aurora wrote:Things are looking decidedly 'iffy'.

I'm thinking of opening a post PO shop. Anyone interested in becoming a partner?

...

That's BRILLIANT!