Moderator: Peak Moderation
may well make a come backRenewableCandy wrote:Slavery. I'm not joking, it was a major source of 'cheap energy' before cheap FFs.
Ditto.brasso wrote:How long have you got?
- feeding and protecting my family
- crime and violence raging out of control (I live in Nottingham)
- losing my house and/ or my job (I'm in IT)
- raising my son in an era of outright crisis
I've made what preparations I can, and am probably better positioned than most, but you can only do so much!
You obviously don't have children.mikepepler wrote:Having said that, I don't lose any sleep over it!
This is why I feel I need a gun. 
No, we don't, and don't plan to either. Nothing against them, we just have so much going on already, and no strong desire to have any (and I must admit knowing about PO reaffirms our feelings there). We have two pet cockatiels, but at a push they can survive on grass seed, food scraps and about 1ml of water a day, so I think we'll be able to look after them!snow hope wrote:You obviously don't have children.mikepepler wrote:Having said that, I don't lose any sleep over it!
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
Er, sure, and the disabled will be given lovely bungalows to live in and brought fresh vegetables and so on.Andy Hunt wrote:Gay people might end up being revered, as will those others who don't burden the planet and society with more children.
Dude, I live in a council flat in inner London, on the fourth floor, precisely where am I supposed to plant these vegetable beds of which you speak, under the patio and driveway I didn't even know I had, eh? And as for 'worked from a wheelchair', not all wheelchair users are using wheelchairs solely due to leg problems. Ugh. I'm only not going into a big rant about your disablism because I am, you know, at work and don't have time.SunnyJim wrote:Christ. It's a black day out there isn't it?
Remember, things are rarely as bad as worry tends to make them look. Human nature tends to magnify risk and dangers. People have a remarkable ability to survive, and I think very soon after any crisis people will settle down into a kind of pattern of life. OK, it may involve more physical work, and less material goods, but it's about time that happened anyway.
I don't think we're headed for such an abrupt cliff as some make out, so essential medicines etc should carry on for a good while, but the change may be abrupt in many ways, such as the need to give up driving and get public transport. In rural areas, you may need to plan only one trip to the local village per week etc. Much like the old days. No more dropping Tarquin and FiFi off at the private school 20 miles away every day. Eating local. No tomatoes in December. You may find Rabbit stew on the menu again. You will have to rip up the driveway and patio you laid and put vegatable beds in, and grow soft fruits up the walls. If you are too old, get someone to do it now for you while labour is cheap. Raised beds are easy to work. If they are raised enough then they can be worked from a wheel chair.
Ok, essential medicines might carry on for a good while, but how long's a good while? I'd love to know, because, you know, my life depends on it. I'm not in a position to be optimistic about that sort of thing. The need to give up driving and get public transport; well, I can't drive and I'm not well enough to use public transport most of the time. I'm housebound, pretty much. My husband drives me to hospital appointments and the like but that's mostly it. We already plan everything around when we'd be driving somewhere unavoidably anyway, we eat as locally as is possible when your nearest local produce is a sixteen-mile round trip away but your nearest supermarket is within walking distance, we don't own our house and can't afford to buy one so really, what I'm saying is, most of the preparations and changes that people keep advising us to make are either things we already do to the best of our ability or things that we simply can't do. As for the raised beds being workable from a wheelchair - well sure, if you're in a wheelchair due to some kind of leg problem, but if you've got problems with your upper body then that's not so peachy. Disabled != wheelchair user, most of the time. Sorry if I'm coming across as snappish or harsh but it's pretty clear that you and many other people are talking from positions of able-bodied and financially-secure privilege. Those of us who object to that sort of thing aren't "putting obstacles in the way" or in any way unwilling to make changes - we're just very simply not in situations where much can be done.
I don't think we're headed for such an abrupt cliff as some make out, so essential medicines etc should carry on for a good while, but the change may be abrupt in many ways, such as the need to give up driving and get public transport. In rural areas, you may need to plan only one trip to the local village per week etc. Much like the old days. No more dropping Tarquin and FiFi off at the private school 20 miles away every day. Eating local. No tomatoes in December. You may find Rabbit stew on the menu again. You will have to rip up the driveway and patio you laid and put vegatable beds in, and grow soft fruits up the walls. If you are too old, get someone to do it now for you while labour is cheap. Raised beds are easy to work. If they are raised enough then they can be worked from a wheel chair.
