Stockpiling against future shortages

SunnyJim · Post by **SunnyJim** » 25 Oct 2007, 14:56

Quick observation.

Most of you that are really stocking up, and are worried about defending your homes and stocks seem to be from the cities. It makes scary reading for me sat in my peaceful country village. These people you are planning to defend yourselves from are going to be knocking at my door after they've killed you lot and eaten all your stores!

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 25 Oct 2007, 15:42

Don't forget that there are fewer wimps and more guns in the countryside.

There is also a stronger sense of community.

Farmers with shotguns, Land Rovers and 2-way radios are tougher adversaries than lone web designers in their studio apartments.

SunnyJim · Post by **SunnyJim** » 25 Oct 2007, 15:48

Yes indeed. Still, we tend to think of the world as being full of 'nice people'. It would seem that living in close proximity to a huge number of people educates you otherwise. I think we in the countryside may be a bit head in the sand when it comes to what people are really like.

Post by **adam2** » 25 Oct 2007, 16:00

stumuz wrote: The establishments which serve these needs well are the ones frequented from members of a certain socio economic group. I will not say which this group is but they tend to breed in large numbers and adorn their offspring with names such as ?Chardonnay? ?Dwayne? and ?Kylie?.

The secret of contracting with these establishments, which tend to have short names, is to bring your conveyance to the place of contracting on a Wednesday morning.
The reason for this is simple; the working class are at work. The under class do not generally get their handouts until the Thursday.

This way you get to go around the establishment in peace and harmony, with your huge lists without any chav asking,

??whot?d yer need all vem tins of tmatos fer?

And you will be spared the basic human riposte of

?? go away and mind your own business you smelly individual, and by the way the Sunny delight and Pringles are in another aisle.

Hope this helps.

Seriously though, I would advise against conspicous stocking up in a local store or discount supermarket.
Just suppose that TSHTF in the near term, do you want even one customer to remember you as the person who has a "hoard" while babies are starving?
IMHO it would be better to stock up gradually, or if you feel the need to be urgent, them visit a store in a different district where no one knows you. Use cash never cards, I dont think that the government are organised enough to see who has purchased loads of food, and then to requistion it, but why take the chance?

Vortex · Post by **Vortex** » 25 Oct 2007, 17:05

I think we in the countryside may be a bit head in the sand when it comes to what people are really like.

Harumph. Some of rural locals are total riff raff ... and can be armed.

SunnyJim · Post by **SunnyJim** » 25 Oct 2007, 17:07

I can't remember the last time I saw a fight in the street. Or grafitti. Not since I left Plymouth actually....

MisterE · Post by **MisterE** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:20

If I stocked up like that I'd end up preying and wishing for tsthtf. I dont want to think like that. I know its wrong and but I guess I'm preparing for slow down and not mad max survival. I'm sure there will be plenty of time to stock up in a slow down, I dont see things ever getting that bad myself despite knowing in my head that with less oil we are f*cked! Clearly there is something wrong with my brain lol as I know with a lot less oil we could face depression and with defo colapse of many systems, yet I keep saying hmmm its ok now and I cant see it going that bad, cant it?

bobthebaker · Post by **bobthebaker** » 25 Oct 2007, 19:55

MisterE wrote:If I stocked up like that I'd end up preying and wishing for tsthtf. I dont want to think like that. I know its wrong and but I guess I'm preparing for slow down and not mad max survival. I'm sure there will be plenty of time to stock up in a slow down, I dont see things ever getting that bad myself despite knowing in my head that with less oil we are f*cked! Clearly there is something wrong with my brain lol as I know with a lot less oil we could face depression and with defo colapse of many systems, yet I keep saying hmmm its ok now and I cant see it going that bad, cant it?

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because nothing immediately is happening or you can't see anything changing then it must be OK. It's a bit like when you're a kid if you hid behind a chair and couldn't see anyone else therefore they couldn't see you!!

THe very fact you have posted on this site means that you, as opposed to 99% of the population, are ahead of the game and forewarned is forearmed!!

I can't see a Mad Max scenario ( that was the after effects of a nuclear war?) more a long decline over the next 30 years so it should give society time to change.

Norm · Post by **Norm** » 25 Oct 2007, 20:06

I can't see a Mad Max scenario ( that was the after effects of a nuclear war?) more a long decline over the next 30 years so it should give society time to change.

Totally agree. What worries me is the probability of short periods of panic and unrest before things settle. First rule of survival is to survive the event. It would be bloody useless to stockpile and prepare for the long descent if you were topped at the start by some hungry yob!

bobthebaker · Post by **bobthebaker** » 25 Oct 2007, 20:11

snow hope wrote:"mostly behind Mrs B's back"

Crikey, do you own a warehouse she doesn't know about?

Interesting list - thanks.

Under a pre nuptial treaty, Mr's B's sphere of influence in our estate is everything except the loft, garage, basement and garden.

I'm currently building 2 sheds and then will work on further storage facilities in the other areas

It also helps if you have separate bank accounts (Mrs B's idea) thus extraneous expenditure is not questioned.

SILVERHARP2 · Post by **SILVERHARP2** » 26 Oct 2007, 16:35

Dinor wrote:
I can't see a Mad Max scenario ( that was the after effects of a nuclear war?) more a long decline over the next 30 years so it should give society time to change.
Totally agree. What worries me is the probability of short periods of panic and unrest before things settle. First rule of survival is to survive the event. It would be bloody useless to stockpile and prepare for the long descent if you were topped at the start by some hungry yob!

remeber though, most people here live in the EU, it's about the most stable area in the world to live. The population consume at a very high level and I think the shock to the system will be people not being able to go on 3 holidays a year or having 2 or more cars in the house. So much will have to happen before you have to worry about stocking up on tea bags etc. Where the Peakers are ahead of the game should be getting your finances right, giving up the desire for conspicuous consumption if it interferes with your finances and have an eye on career development from a po point of view

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 26 Oct 2007, 22:45

Daughter wanted to go veggie so I suggested how about all of us, on Sundays? We've lapsed a bit recently because of staying at other people's places etc but one thing that really helps the inexperienced is a good recipe book. We've got The Crank's Recipes (from olde 1960s restaurant in Carnaby St), stacks of beans and lentils and we're not afraid to use them!

I think veggie cooking might be an important skill as things unfold. One of the things that made me think it would be possible was, the gorgeous veggie nosh they serve up when you're doing one of the courses at the CAT.

I noticed the washing-up's much easier after a veggie meal.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 27 Oct 2007, 20:16

RenewableCandy wrote:We've got The Crank's Recipes (from olde 1960s restaurant in Carnaby St), stacks of beans and lentils and we're not afraid to use them!

Great book! It's what got me interested all those years and it's still in use today.

Post by **adam2** » 03 Nov 2007, 10:45

A little more stocking up today!

More batteries, and a load of cheap torches, seem quite good for £2-00 each. These I propose to either give away, sell at cost price, or sell at a profit, dependant on circumstances, in the event of power cuts.

Surefire, Maglite and others produce some very good qaulity torches, but dont forget a supply of cheap ones to loan/give/sell.

Also a dozen bottles of brandy, for medicinal use of course!

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 03 Nov 2007, 18:25

adam2 wrote:A little more stocking up today!

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Also a dozen bottles of brandy, for medicinal use of course!

Port-and-brandy (served once you're out of the cold) are good against, erm, female cramps.

Gin or vodka, smeared on the teeth after dental treatment (of the pre- or post-peak variety) will drastically reduce the chances of infections developing.

Chewing cloves is also good against toothache: they numb the mouth and are also slightly anteseptic. Have you stashed any dried cloves?