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What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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Video of ex-Corbyn supporters who have joined Reform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyMtNFDLvUA
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UndercoverElephant wrote: 06 Jan 2025, 15:36 Video of ex-Corbyn supporters who have joined Reform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyMtNFDLvUA
That's pretty incredible. You'd expect that this cohort would be the last to vote Reform :shock:
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We've just had the first poll putting Reform joint first (with Labour).

(Find Out Now -- Ref 25 Lab 25 Con 20 LD 11 Grn 11).

https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/voting-in ... -jan-2025/

Also:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is- ... the-polls/
Is Reform about to become the most popular political party in Britain, overtaking both Labour and the Tories in national opinion polls?

The rise of the light blue peril in opinion surveys since the general election at the expense of both major parties has certainly caused jitters in Westminster. MPs from more established parties know that Reform hitting the front would be a major story in itself and could generate a ‘feedback loop’ that could further stretch its lead.

Following a bumpy Christmas for Kemi Badenoch, the latest Spectator poll tracker which aggregates surveys up to January 3, has Labour averaging 30 per cent, the Tories just 23 per cent and Reform 22 per cent
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https://archive.ph/PUF1Z
Why Farage is turning left

The Reform leader has spotted a gap in the political market.
On the evening of the 2019 general election, as it became clear that Boris Johnson had triumphed, Nigel Farage declared: “This victory for Boris was hugely helped by us and is far better than the Marxist Corbyn and a second referendum”.

The description used of Corbyn was a revealing one. Though the former Labour leader is a far less obviously Marxist figure than John McDonnell (once confessing that he had not read “as much of Marx as I should have done”), Farage was happy to place him in this category for political purposes. It signified that his principal objection to Corbyn was his hostility to capitalism.

Five years on, Farage is playing a rather different tune. In an interview with PoliticsJOE this week, the Reform leader highlighted his common ground with Corbyn: “Anti-establishment, obviously. A sense that the giant corporates now dominate the world that we live in, that politics is very much in the pockets of the big corporates,” he said after being told of a former Corbyn supporter who now backed Reform.

“My thinking and Corbyn’s does cross over. I mean, Corbyn was a Eurosceptic right from the very start. He thought that what Brussels would do is be good for big banks and big businesses and bad for everybody else. Well, he was pretty much right.”

Farage – an astute political entrepreneur – has spotted a gap in the political market. In an age of anger, there are votes to be won from railing against big business. “In some ways, my economic narrative against the global corporatists is quite left wing,” he told the New Statesman last year.
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3 polls now putting Reform on 24/25%. Just look at the regression lines. We could see Reform out ahead on 30% before long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... l_election
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https://news.sky.com/story/reform-withi ... s-13286697
Reform UK has grown in support to within one percentage point of Labour according to a new poll for Sky News by YouGov which suggests Britain has entered a new era of three-way party politics.

Sir Keir Starmer looks set to spend the parliament locked in a fight with two right-wing parties after Labour support dropped sharply in the first YouGov poll since the general election.

The poll shows the Tories have now been pushed into third place - two months after Kemi Badenoch was elected leader.

The data collected over the weekend puts Labour on 26%, Reform UK on 25%, Conservatives on 22%, Liberal Democrats on 14% and Greens on 8%.
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UndercoverElephant wrote: 14 Jan 2025, 16:39 https://news.sky.com/story/reform-withi ... s-13286697
Reform UK has grown in support to within one percentage point of Labour according to a new poll for Sky News by YouGov which suggests Britain has entered a new era of three-way party politics.

Sir Keir Starmer looks set to spend the parliament locked in a fight with two right-wing parties after Labour support dropped sharply in the first YouGov poll since the general election.

The poll shows the Tories have now been pushed into third place - two months after Kemi Badenoch was elected leader.

The data collected over the weekend puts Labour on 26%, Reform UK on 25%, Conservatives on 22%, Liberal Democrats on 14% and Greens on 8%.
The biggest problem for Reform is itself. Farage as gone quiet after Elon Musk attacked him, and Ben Habib has piped up saying 'the Overton Window on Tommy Robinson as moved'. God knows where this leads, but it seems that a number of interested individuals want to take Reform further to the Right.
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Forever_Winter wrote: 14 Jan 2025, 18:37
UndercoverElephant wrote: 14 Jan 2025, 16:39 https://news.sky.com/story/reform-withi ... s-13286697
Reform UK has grown in support to within one percentage point of Labour according to a new poll for Sky News by YouGov which suggests Britain has entered a new era of three-way party politics.

Sir Keir Starmer looks set to spend the parliament locked in a fight with two right-wing parties after Labour support dropped sharply in the first YouGov poll since the general election.

The poll shows the Tories have now been pushed into third place - two months after Kemi Badenoch was elected leader.

The data collected over the weekend puts Labour on 26%, Reform UK on 25%, Conservatives on 22%, Liberal Democrats on 14% and Greens on 8%.
The biggest problem for Reform is itself. Farage as gone quiet after Elon Musk attacked him, and Ben Habib has piped up saying 'the Overton Window on Tommy Robinson as moved'. God knows where this leads, but it seems that a number of interested individuals want to take Reform further to the Right.
Yes, Farage will need to keep close control of his own right wing. Especially his economic right wing. If he wants to be the next PM of this country, he needs to move leftwards economically while avoiding drifting any further towards the social "loony right". Tommy Robinson is a cocaine-fuelled idiot.
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Farage and Truss attend UK launch of US climate denial group
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland
The establishment of this UK branch of the Heartland Institute – which has links to the incoming Trump administration and has drawn on funding from companies including ExxonMobil and wealthy US Republican donors – comes as Farage seeks to make hostility to net zero a centrepiece of Reform’s electoral pitch. Reform MPs have used speaking time in parliament to push for the scrapping of net zero targets and to call for new coalmines.
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Mark wrote: 15 Jan 2025, 09:27 Farage and Truss attend UK launch of US climate denial group
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -heartland
The establishment of this UK branch of the Heartland Institute – which has links to the incoming Trump administration and has drawn on funding from companies including ExxonMobil and wealthy US Republican donors – comes as Farage seeks to make hostility to net zero a centrepiece of Reform’s electoral pitch. Reform MPs have used speaking time in parliament to push for the scrapping of net zero targets and to call for new coalmines.
Net Zero is an accounting con-trick that won't make any difference to anything. We are not going to stop climate change. We are not even going to limit it. The COP conferences are already a complete joke.

The only way to limit climate change is to leave economically viable fossil fuels in the ground. Nobody is going to do that. Not this country, not any other country either. When the lights go out, if opening new coal mines is the only way to get them back on again then the mines will be opened.

In other words, this doesn't make any difference. I want to see the mould of UK politics broken forever, and the only way to make that happen is to vote for Reform.
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We have now had a poll with Reform 3 points in the lead (REF 26, CON 23, LAB 22). Give it six months and Reform will be topping every poll, and there may well be nothing the tories or Labour can do to turn it around. Labour has the disadvantage of being in government and having no options that won't lose them votes, and the tories have got no means of appealing to any new voters.
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