What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?
I'd have done better than Sunak in election, says Truss
"If the mini-budget had been allowed to succeed” then voters would have looked more kindly on the Conservatives, she argued, but it was "difficult" to get the changes she wanted through without the support of Tory MPs.
The former prime minister said she would not endorse any of the four contenders vying for the Tory leadership - Kemi Badenoch, Robert Jenrick, Tom Tugendhat and James Cleverly.
“So far I haven’t seen any of the candidates really acknowledge how bad things are in the country as a whole and frankly for the Conservative Party.
She urged candidates to think more radically about policies like expanding fracking and coal power, and abolishing the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act, arguing that Britain was now a "socialist country", thanks in part to previous Conservative governments.
The packed auditorium listened largely in silence, but broke into applause and cheering when Truss said a Donald Trump victory in the US elections "would really cheer me up".
She denied lacking a sense of humour, but said jokes about her from "left wing" comics were "just not funny" as they were "in power" as part of the liberal establishment she was fighting against.
Explaining that she was on a mission to save "not just Britain but Western civilization", she added: "I enjoy the fight."
“Conservatives won’t succeed until we get rid of the Office for Budget Responsibility,” she said
What a fruitloop this woman is.
We must deal with reality or it will deal with us.
I'd have done better than Sunak in election, says Truss
"If the mini-budget had been allowed to succeed” then voters would have looked more kindly on the Conservatives, she argued, but it was "difficult" to get the changes she wanted through without the support of Tory MPs.
The former prime minister said she would not endorse any of the four contenders vying for the Tory leadership - Kemi Badenoch, Robert Jenrick, Tom Tugendhat and James Cleverly.
“So far I haven’t seen any of the candidates really acknowledge how bad things are in the country as a whole and frankly for the Conservative Party.
She urged candidates to think more radically about policies like expanding fracking and coal power, and abolishing the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act, arguing that Britain was now a "socialist country", thanks in part to previous Conservative governments.
The packed auditorium listened largely in silence, but broke into applause and cheering when Truss said a Donald Trump victory in the US elections "would really cheer me up".
She denied lacking a sense of humour, but said jokes about her from "left wing" comics were "just not funny" as they were "in power" as part of the liberal establishment she was fighting against.
Explaining that she was on a mission to save "not just Britain but Western civilization", she added: "I enjoy the fight."
“Conservatives won’t succeed until we get rid of the Office for Budget Responsibility,” she said
The more I see of Robert Jenrick, the more thoroughly horrible he appears to be. He might have some appeal to the tory membership, but I can't see him being able to reach out to anybody else. From my perspective he has no redeeming features whatsoever. He's like a concentrated version of everything that is loathsome about the tories.
We must deal with reality or it will deal with us.
My reading is that Tom Tugendhat is the next to go....
Then it's 2 from Jenrick, Badenoch and Cleverly.
I don't mind if they choose Robert Jenrick or Kemi Badenoch - the abyss surely follows, as night follows day...
As said previously, James Cleverly is the only one that vaguely resembles a relatable human being and he apparently performed well at their Conference - think he's their only viable option to win the next GE, but not sure how bright he is ?
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Mark wrote: ↑03 Oct 2024, 20:01
My reading is that Tom Tugendhat is the next to go....
Then it's 2 from Jenrick, Badenoch and Cleverly.
I don't mind if they choose Robert Jenrick or Kemi Badenoch - the abyss surely follows, as night follows day...
As said previously, Tom Cleverly is the only one that vaguely resembles a relatable human being and he apparently performed well at their Conference - think he's their only viable option to win the next GE, but not sure how bright he is ?
I don't think Cleverly would beat Jenrick or Badenoch in the last two. The membership will vote for the most right wing candidate they are offered.
We must deal with reality or it will deal with us.
UndercoverElephant wrote: ↑03 Oct 2024, 21:05
I don't think Cleverly would beat Jenrick or Badenoch in the last two. The membership will vote for the most right wing candidate they are offered.
Mark wrote: ↑08 Oct 2024, 17:54
James Cleverly 39
Robert Jenrick 31 (down 2 ?)
Kemi Badenoch 30
Tom Tugendhat 20 - the latest to go...
And then there were 3....,
Jenrick down 2 is hilarious. He's an arrogant little git. Cleverly will make it into the final 2, because he'll pick up the majority of Tugendhat's 20 votes. Really hard to say who the other one will be, because there may be tactical voting going on to keep either Badenoch or Jenrick out of the final 2. I still don't expect the tory membership to make Cleverly the new leader, but stranger things have happened.
We must deal with reality or it will deal with us.
I recall reading Jenrick's wife is an American-Israeli and 10 years older than he is. Of course he is welcome to marry whoever he wants but not exactly looking good for an independent foreign policy?
UndercoverElephant wrote: ↑08 Oct 2024, 18:08
Cleverly will make it into the final 2, because he'll pick up the majority of Tugendhat's 20 votes.
To me, it shows that Tory MPs are still split roughly 50/50 between right of centre and 'Reform' types...
James Cleverly 39 + 20 = 59
Robert Jenrick 31 & Kemi Badenoch 30 = 61
clv101 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2024, 16:42
Hahaha, Cleverly was the only one with broad enough appeal to win a GE. I expect we'll see another Tory leader before the next election.
The only way I can make sense of the result is that there was a lot of anti-Jenrick and anti-Badenoch tactical voting designed to make sure one of those two didn't make it on to the final ballot, but that must have been tactical voting by people who assumed Cleverly was guaranteed to make the final two and actually wanted him to win (otherwise the tactical vote is pointless).
EDIT: rumour now has it that it was Cleverly's camp that was orchestrating tactical voting in an attempt to keep Badenoch off the ballot paper. Ooops.
Electing another leader won't solve their problems. Cleverly would not have been capable of clawing back the 10-15% of the electorate which has switched from the tories to Reform. They are still left with a fundamental choice between committing to a more Farage-like position, committing to reject that and trying to win back the centre, or splitting. Failing to choose leaves them perpetually unelectable, even with Labour on 29%. Nobody will work with them in a hung parliament.
We must deal with reality or it will deal with us.
Another said: "It was a genuine shock... the number of pledges made by MPs will have greatly exceeded 120, but that is perfectly understandable because our natural instinct is not to upset people."
In other words it is perfectly understandable because the natural instinct of tories is to lie to people about important things in order to maximise their own chances of slithering up the greasy pole of political success. They are all in it for themselves. It's exactly what they stand for.
We must deal with reality or it will deal with us.
