The truth about climate change

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Its been cold, overcast and wet - but they’re telling me it’s actually the warmest on record?

May was very definitely not the warmest on record here.

It’s this total detachment of ‘official figures’ from actual lived reality that is so ridiculous.

It is ridiculous, that even simple metrics like the monthly and seasonal average temperatures are rejected.

"My lived experience appears to contradict science, therefore I reject scientific reality because my lived experience is reality."

This sort of thinking is very common in our current society, and I guess most people assume it has always been that way and always will be, but I am not so sure this is true. There must be some degree of biological component to the denial of inconvenient truths, but I think there is also currently a very large cultural component. It is more nurture (or lack thereof) than nature.

Talk to my artichokes, courgettes, beans, lupins, and cauliflowers.

They all thought that this was a wet and overcast spring.

The strawberries were pretty good though.

UE: “There must be some degree of biological component to the denial of inconvenient truths, but I think there is also currently a very large cultural component. It is more nurture (or lack thereof) than nature.”

I’m just telling you what happened to my vegetables.

I’m pretty sure that “denying inconvenient truths” had very little to do with it at all.

They just had a pretty wet and overcast May

UE: “"My lived experience appears to contradict science, therefore I reject scientific reality because my lived experience is reality."”

Well if our lived realities aren’t real - I just don’t know what is.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[UndercoverElephant]

https://imgur.com/a/gNjwxD0

And breathe out.

[clv101]

It was a "wet and overcast May". It was also the warmest on record in the UK.

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It was a "wet and overcast May". It was also the warmest on record in the UK.

My veg didn’t think so.

We even put the heating on a couple of times. (The veg didn’t benefit. They had to cope outside).

Perhaps we should look again at how these figures are rounded up, made up and obfuscated. The figures are obviously bollocks.

https://phys.org/news/2021-10-climate-m ... combat.pdf

I totally refute the idea that we’ve have had the warmest May on record. I certainly didn’t get my shorts out once.

It’s hard to tell a courgette that didn’t flower until the end of June that it just didn’t understand the statistics.

We’re just simply talking veg here. It’s very hard to argue with vegetables.

Even if they’re actually, the courgettes in this instance, fruits.

UK farmers also have a real life opinion on this:

“UK crop conditions improve in May but supplies still tight”

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets- ... till-tight

This is real hands-in-the-dirt farming.

[clv101]

It was a "wet and overcast May". It was also the warmest on record in the UK.

My veg didn’t think so.

We even put the heating on a couple of times. (The veg didn’t benefit. They had to cope outside).

Perhaps we should look again at how these figures are rounded up, made up and obfuscated. The figures are obviously bollocks.

https://phys.org/news/2021-10-climate-m ... combat.pdf

I totally refute the idea that we’ve have had the warmest May on record. I certainly didn’t get my shorts out once.

It’s hard to tell a courgette that didn’t flower until the end of June that it just didn’t understand the statistics.

We’re just simply talking veg here. It’s very hard to argue with vegetables.

Even if they’re actually, the courgettes in this instance, fruits.

I'm sorry, you're talking rubbish - I personally worked for the Met Office, in Observations R&D for a while, I understand the process and I understand your, commonly held and incorrect view. Comments like "put the heating" and "didn’t get my shorts out once." are disappointingly predicable, they come pouring into the department. The fundamental fact is that someONEs experience of the weather is often at odds with what actually happened. Sure - you didn't wear shorts in May, but how often were you out and about at 4am and noticing that it was 8C rather than 3C? It's the very high nighttime minimums that delivered May's record.

If you don't think May 2024 was a UK record - which May do you think was warmer?

[Default0ptions]

It was a "wet and overcast May". It was also the warmest on record in the UK.

My veg didn’t think so.

We even put the heating on a couple of times. (The veg didn’t benefit. They had to cope outside).

Perhaps we should look again at how these figures are rounded up, made up and obfuscated. The figures are obviously bollocks.

https://phys.org/news/2021-10-climate-m ... combat.pdf

I totally refute the idea that we’ve have had the warmest May on record. I certainly didn’t get my shorts out once.

It’s hard to tell a courgette that didn’t flower until the end of June that it just didn’t understand the statistics.

We’re just simply talking veg here. It’s very hard to argue with vegetables.

Even if they’re actually, the courgettes in this instance, fruits.

I'm sorry, you're talking rubbish - I personally worked for the Met Office, in Observations R&D for a while, I understand the process and I understand your, commonly held and incorrect view. Comments like "put the heating" and "didn’t get my shorts out once." are disappointingly predicable, they come pouring into the department. The fundamental fact is that someONEs experience of the weather is often at odds with what actually happened. Sure - you didn't wear shorts in May, but how often were you out and about at 4am and noticing that it was 8C rather than 3C? It's the very high nighttime minimums that delivered May's record.

If you don't think May 2024 was a UK record - which May do you think was warmer?

Last year I was in shorts and a straw hat for most of may. I had to water the veg every day.

I realise that you missed this in my post because I was editing it as you answered - but the UKs farmers are also unimpressed by this may:

“UK crop conditions improve in May but supplies still tight”

“Approximately 55% of winter wheat was rated as in good or excellent condition in early June, according to industry figures, an improvement of 10 percentage points on the previous month, but still well below 85%, where it was this time last year.”


Either the figures, or the way they’re calculated are wrong - or the farmers crops are wrong for being 30% down on last year.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets- ... till-tight

It’s really hard to argue with veg. Or fruit. Or cereals.

[clv101]

Here's May-24 and May-23. No contest.






I think you are erroneously correlating record high temperatures with good plant growth. There's more to it than that! Especially lack of light (May-24 had low sun hours) and the northerly breeze didn't help.

[Default0ptions]

Here's May-24 and May-23. No contest.

I think you are erroneously correlating record high temperatures with good plant growth. There's more to it than that! Especially lack of light (May-24 had low sun hours) and the northerly breeze didn't help.

I’m mainly just saying that last may was baking hot and this may was cold and wet. The idea that this may was the hottest ever is just laughed at. It’s obviously and patently a ridiculous assertion.

If we really have to get down to “lack of light (May-24 had low sun hours) and the northerly breeze didn't help” to try to convince people that this may wasn’t cold and wet compared to last year and was in fact the hottest may ever. . . . you’ve just lost all credibility with the general public.

You may very well be ‘right’ by your convoluted calculations but -

This may was still cold and wet compared to last year

That’s just how it is

I have some rather un-tanned legs to prove it

“Record-breaking rain over the past few months has left fields of crops under water and livestock's health at risk, adding to pressures on food producers.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68792017

“Recent extreme weather in the United Kingdom and across Europe has left shoppers facing soaring food prices, and raised questions over long-term food security.
After one of the wettest winters on record, and a wet start to spring, many UK farmers are dealing with flooded fields and waterlogged ground.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/cy63gg6zge5o

[clv101]

I'm not saying this spring was great for crops, it clearly wasn't. It was however the warmest spring and May on record. If you have difficulty accepting this basic observation, frankly you (like many people) have problems.

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I'm not saying this spring was great for crops, it clearly wasn't. It was however the warmest spring and May on record. If you have difficulty accepting this basic observation, frankly you (like many people) have problems.

I’m just saying that it didn’t feel like that to me. Or, as you observe, to many (or even most) people. Pictures of wet sheep in standing water etc. Crop failures. No home grown courgettes in the whole of may etc.

We’re not going to agree on this so we’ll have to agree to differ.

I suspect that the difference between observed reality and the climate ‘figures’ is pure and simply that those producing the ‘figures’ have a vested interest in disguising the lack of visibility of the emperor’s clothes.

No offence taken or intended.

[Default0ptions]

Okay, let’s agree that climate change is happening. Surely this presents us with a whole new cornucopia of opportunities.

The northern steppes and tundras become the new breadbaskets of the world. The area of tundra that would become available is almost unimaginably vast.

If we’re sure this is going to happen - we should be celebrating - and doing something constructive to work towards the best outcome.