Where are the Survivalists?

[Pippa]

Interesting reply Haggis! So its alright for my mum to come and live with us (whilst we pay the mortgage and she contributes to the bills) but its not so good if a child camps out in a parents back garden to avoid a mortgage whilst the parent pays the bills.

[kenneal - lagger]

To get round the enforced society rules he camps in his parents garden. Quite inspirational I thought and a good reminder of how we generally collect far too much....

How proud his parents must have been.

My daughter and son in law have built a log cabin in our garden (planning wheeze that meant it was permitted development) and we are proud. Or will be when the buggers move out of our house and into their's!!

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

Interesting reply Haggis! So its alright for my mum to come and live with us (whilst we pay the mortgage and she contributes to the bills) but its not so good if a child camps out in a parents back garden to avoid a mortgage whilst the parent pays the bills.

The young are supposed to look after the old, that's the way it's always been. Well prior to the brief oil fuelled years anyway.
Those young un's should be out building their own lives in preparation for looking after the old farts when they're just about ready for God's waiting room. The old folks in the twilight of their lives should in turn look after the Grandchildren.

For the record I left home at 17.

[mikepepler]

Here's another big company started by a hippy:
http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/about/about.html

Going back to the tent thing, there's something that makes me really mad there - that you are meant to get planning permission to have a tent on your land for more than 28 days in a year (unless it's an actual camp site). How on earth are we meant to get to a low-carbon society if the trailblazers who are trying to find out ways to do it end up strangled in red tape?

[kenneal - lagger]

We need a few more local authorities like Pembroke, Mike, who are willing to support things like the Lammas Project.

http://www.lammas.org.uk/

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

Going back to the tent thing, there's something that makes me really mad there - that you are meant to get planning permission to have a tent on your land for more than 28 days in a year (unless it's an actual camp site). How on earth are we meant to get to a low-carbon society if the trailblazers who are trying to find out ways to do it end up strangled in red tape?

Camouflage netting?

[kenneal - lagger]

Going back to the tent thing, there's something that makes me really mad there - that you are meant to get planning permission to have a tent on your land for more than 28 days in a year (unless it's an actual camp site). How on earth are we meant to get to a low-carbon society if the trailblazers who are trying to find out ways to do it end up strangled in red tape?

Camouflage netting?

And no shiny bits on your solar panels that can be spotted from helicopters.

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

Well, we've had a few turn up in the last few days.

Is there a real threat of doom all of a sudden or this just the seasonal influx of nut hoarding squirrels?

[clv101]

Well, we've had a few turn up in the last few days.

Is there a real threat of doom all of a sudden or this just the seasonal influx of nut hoarding squirrels?

What I'm find more interesting, is your response. I don't understand why you've been so negative towards preppers?

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

Well, we've had a few turn up in the last few days.

Is there a real threat of doom all of a sudden or this just the seasonal influx of nut hoarding squirrels?

What I'm find more interesting, is your response. I don't understand why you've been so negative towards preppers?

Really, I thought I was being my usual pragmatic self.

[adam2]

Well, we've had a few turn up in the last few days.

Is there a real threat of doom all of a sudden or this just the seasonal influx of nut hoarding squirrels?

It is partly chance, new members join more or less at random, and some new ones are a bit doomerish.
But also IMHO, doom is approaching.

TEOTWAWKI is frequently forecast and has not happened yet, but it does seem to becoming more likely.

War in the ME may not happen just yet, and previous wars in that region have not resulted in the world ending. BUT oil supply is tighter than last time, and there is the risk that nuclear weapons will be used this time.

Climate change appears to be accelerating, with inevitable adverese effects on modern society. The temperature increase should be survivable in itself, but the consequent significant rise in sea levels would be doom for many coastal areas including major ports and cities.

The financial meltdown appears to be worsening with more sovereign defaults likely. Civil disorder is increasingly likely in the UK, judging by events elswhere.

Large scale blackouts would be here already if it were not for the economic situation reducing energy demand.

There is nothing new about wars in the ME, climate change, financial crashes and power shortages, but all seem to be becoming worse or liable to worsen.

There is more to surviving an uncertain future than stockpiling supplies, but it certainly increases ones chances to have a prudent store.

[northernraider]

Most survivalists today tend to be a far cry from the survivalists of old, more and more survivalists ( now generally called preppers) today are just ordinary families and individuals who see the world becoming ever more insecure and unstable in recent years.

Since 911 and 7/7 things have changed culturally, before those tragic events TPTB used to condemn anyone stockpiling or setting aside extra food, supplies, kit etc as fear mongering hoarders to be villified. But since those days we find governments across the world openly encouraging families to build themelves 72 hour kits, 168 hour kits, flood kits, winter storm kits and to become as well prepped as they like.
WHY ? cos it dawned on the governments that if THEY had to set aside food, supplies, medicines and kits in huge amounts to deal with the changing world we now inhabit, it would cost em billions.

But if you encourage the families to build their own emergency supplies and kits it saves the government all that money. And after all prepping is just another form of insurance. Most people have car, life and home insurance but they are not expecting to crash, drop dead or burn their homes down, but they have that insurance JUST IN CASE, preppings just the next step on that path.

[Catweazle]

Well, we've had a few turn up in the last few days.

Is there a real threat of doom all of a sudden or this just the seasonal influx of nut hoarding squirrels?

What I'm find more interesting, is your response. I don't understand why you've been so negative towards preppers?

He gets a bit edgy if he misses his tactical breakfast....

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

Well, we've had a few turn up in the last few days.

Is there a real threat of doom all of a sudden or this just the seasonal influx of nut hoarding squirrels?

What I'm find more interesting, is your response. I don't understand why you've been so negative towards preppers?

He gets a bit edgy if he misses his tactical breakfast....

That was a strategic post, but I see through your tactical gambit.

I've just had an idea for a tactical chess set... It would go really well with my waterproof copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War.

[Catweazle]

It would go really well with my waterproof copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War.

Oooh, must have. It would be invaluable when laying out my vegetable plot for maximum defensive capability.

Gentle piss-taking aside, and no offence meant to new members, I guess we are all "preppers" or "survivalists" on here, although we approach it from a different angle to some boards. Amongst ourselves we have different angles too, from Biffs "welcome everyone" approach to my own more selfish attitude.

I can only think of a couple of members who seemed to have decided to die rather than live in a challenging future.