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What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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clv101 wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 10:44 Is there a level of loss which simply makes Sunak's position untenable? He's forced to resign, and the new leader calls election immediately?
Shirley not ?

Although they could always give her a try - everybody else has had a go..... :D
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Yeah give Kemi a go. That'll be a sight to see, Liz Truss will seem calm and sane next to her.
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dustiswhatweare wrote: 14 Mar 2024, 10:36 Yeah give Kemi a go. That'll be a sight to see, Liz Truss will seem calm and sane next to her.
Well....., she is the current front runner....
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... ishi-sunak

Cameron, Farage and Boris are all around 20-1....
Truss is about 80-1.....

Remember, it's a party of all the talents.... :D
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Talent for what though?
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Lying.
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Come on UE, even I can come up with a better list than that.... :D
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I blame Boris, and i can't remember quite how he managed to get himself in in the first place. I can't recall how he managed to appear trustworthy.
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Looks like they are going to replace Sunak with Mordaunt. Something has changed over the course of the last week in terms of Sunak's credibility. The idea of him leading them through an election campaign is now unthinkable.
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Mordaunt is certainly the most electable leader they could have - but what's the process to crown her? Not sure Tory members are going to vote for her ahead of Badenoch. If she stands unopposed - the members (and public) will be outraged.
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clv101 wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 09:02 but what's the process to crown her? Not sure Tory members are going to vote for her ahead of Badenoch. If she stands unopposed - the members (and public) will be outraged.
It would have to be 100% coronation. I think it also needs to happen very quickly, or the situation will deteriorate further for them.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/r ... 0540a&ei=7
The mutinous Tories are said to have discussed replacing the prime minister in a “coronation” following a no-confidence vote, as opposed to putting their party and country through another leadership contest ahead of the looming general election, after Mr Sunak finally ruled out a May ballot.

They are said to be hoping that a new cabinet resignation will trigger the collapse of Mr Sunak’s premiership and usher in the party’s fourth leader since the last election – despite the fact that the recent departure of moderate-turned-hardliner Robert Jenrick from his post as immigration minister failed to inspire others to follow suit.

The outlook among Tory MPs darkened this week after the Budget failed to make a dent in polling, which has recently put support for their party at a 40-year low, and as No 10 struggled to deal with the fallout from allegations that racist remarks were made by major donor Frank Hester. Mr Sunak eventually condemned the comments as “racist and wrong” after cabinet ministers broke ranks to do so.
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This all gives me so much pleasure, I know one shouldn't gloat at other's misfortune, but
in this case I effortlessly made an exception in a heartbeat. What would really be the icing on
the cake would be the splendidly delusional "bring back borage" faction gaining some traction.
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clv101 wrote: 16 Mar 2024, 09:02 ...but what's the process to crown her?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/ ... afternoon/
HOLY SMOKE Tory rebels hatch plan to oust Rishi Sunak and hold ‘”‘papal conclave’ to anoint Penny Mordaunt PM in just one afternoon
Bombshell plan to oust Rishi Sunak and anoint Penny Mordaunt the new PM could be done in one afternoon, rebels reckon
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Post-2019 UK cabinet ministers last average of eight months, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ght-months

BoJo was elected with a massive majority in 2019 - the Tories could have done anything they wished...
Instead, we're been subjected to a 5 year sh1t show...
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There is a very rapid churning and high attrition rate at the top and I swear that Wishys hair is getting greyer by the day.

Given the multitude of wicked problems facing GB it would seem you would either have to be power mad or a masochist to want the top job.

I would guess Corbyn is glad he avoided the poisoned chalice.
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