Israel/palestine conflict, worsens.

[Mark]

i went to a private school which was maybe 30% Jewish.
I also have worked with Israeli software houses in the past.
You are right : totally normal people.

As for anti-Semitism in the UK - no it has not been at all evident .. until recently.

Sadly quite a few on this forum have a more hostile opinion.
In fact I closed my original Vortex account here because I got fed up with the "kill all Israelis" rrhetoric.

Sometime I'n not sure that i should have come back with my current Vortex2 account.

Vortex, I've not read every post on here, but I haven't personally seen any "kill all Israelis" rhetoric....
If there is/was, I'm sure the mods would deal with it...

Some people on here have posted against the actions of the Israeli state.....
That's perfectly legitimate on a discussion board, or do you think that Israel is above comment and criticism ??
This type of criticism isn't to be confused with anti-Semitism, which is something totally different...

[invalid]

Just the standard tactic to shut down any criticism or discusión of Israel's actions; play the anti-semite card. They created concentration Camps around them, and now they are grabbing more lebensraum, while enacting something like a final solution.

[BritDownUnder]

Elsewhere, Jews and Arabs were coming to blows in suburban Melbourne recently over the torching of a pro-Palestinian burger joint named Burgertory.

That kind of thing could very easily be replicated here - we don't want either side to start settling scores here...
I also happen think The Met did quite well last weekend - the Police have got to keep a very tight grip....
But it must be taking loads of resources, plus GCHQ, MI5, MI6 etc......

People say multiculturalism has its benefits and there are no doubt some. But it also has financial and social costs too.

China had a spate of terror attacks by Uyghurs and possibly others in the 2000s. They cracked down hard and in Shanghai there were police at the airport and major metro stations in 2014. Cameras everywhere. You had to check your bag through a scanner. I hear now these social credit scores that prevent certain people from travelling the metro.

It could come to the UK due to lack of police attention. I personally would like to see ID to get into train and underground stations, shopping malls and probably sports fixtures as well. Possibly also something similar to the congestion charge could require ID to come into city centres.

[Mark]

People say multiculturalism has its benefits and there are no doubt some. But it also has financial and social costs too.

China had a spate of terror attacks by Uyghurs and possibly others in the 2000s. They cracked down hard and in Shanghai there were police at the airport and major metro stations in 2014. Cameras everywhere. You had to check your bag through a scanner. I hear now these social credit scores that prevent certain people from travelling the metro.

It could come to the UK due to lack of police attention. I personally would like to see ID to get into train and underground stations, shopping malls and probably sports fixtures as well. Possibly also something similar to the congestion charge could require ID to come into city centres.

BDU, you have some very extreme views....

As I'm sure you know, China's Uyghurs are indigenous people from Xinjiang
Similar to the Tibetan people, they have for many years suffered great exploitation, discrimination and repression by the Han Chinese...
Yes, there have been protests and a few violent incidents committed by the Uyghurs - wouldn't you ?
However, the reaction and repression used by the Chinese State is totally disproportionate...
The Han Chinese are busy trying to exterminate their cultures and religions...
None of this has anything at all to do with western 'multiculturalism'...

Yes, I want the UK Police to be very vigilant with the x2 communities involved with the current crises...
But do I want an across the board security clampdown like in the Chinese Police State - ABSOLUTELY NOT
We already have CCTV cameras everywhere, but facial recognition cameras on every corner is too much for me....
Those with criminal intent will only by-pass them anyway, by wearing masks and non-descript clothing...
ID to get into city centres, train stations, shopping centres, sports fixtures etc. - can you imagine the chaos and economic impact ?
And who would decide which people to exclude - our corrupt politicians ???

If we want PEACE, everyone has to learn to LIVE TOGETHER
If we discriminate against certain sections of society, those who are minded to, will be MORE motivated to conduct terrorist actions...
This is the problem I have with the current Israeli actions in the Gaza Strip - they may well defeat Hamas, but they've created 2.3million displaced Palestinians who will now create another organisation or way to get their revenge, and the cycle just continues...

[Potemkin Villager]

BDU, you have some very extreme views....

He definitely seems to working for the clamp down though extreme views are probably pretty normal in Oz.

[BritDownUnder]

With multiculturalism you get what you pay for. If you have a self service immigration policy via political asylum you end up with the following outcome.

A 33-year-old Nigerian man, Saheed Azeez, who was granted asylum in the United Kingdom after claiming to be a gay, not only went on to father three children with three different women but masterminded a £220,000 fraud.

The Uyghurs are the latest in a long line of people to have lived in what is now in Western China just the same as the English are the latest to live in what is now England. At the way things are going the English are going to be displaced from England in about a hundred years and no doubt the name of the country, the people, the language and religion will all change.

[adam2]

US warship shoots down drones operated by Houthi/Yemen rebels.
The rebels are baked by Iran. The rebels claim that the drones were attacking Israeli ships.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67607862

[mr brightside]

Why do the BBC keep stating that the UK defines Hamas as a terrorist organisation every time they have to mention them on the news?

[UndercoverElephant]

Why do the BBC keep stating that the UK defines Hamas as a terrorist organisation every time they have to mention them on the news?

Because they aren't allowed to say they are terrorists.

[mr brightside]

So the Govt can say they are terrorists, but Auntie can't?

[adam2]

Why do the BBC keep stating that the UK defines Hamas as a terrorist organisation every time they have to mention them on the news?

I think that it is to suggest or imply that this is a UK thing, it would be more accurate to state that most western governments define Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

[adam2]

Shocking reports are emerging regarding the scale of hamas attacks, including rape and mutilation of women.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

[UndercoverElephant]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67670679

A senior UN aid official has warned that half of Gaza's population is starving, as fighting there continues.

Carl Skau, deputy director of the UN World Food Programme, said only a fraction of supplies needed have been able to enter the Strip - and nine out of 10 people cannot eat everyday.

That is genocide by starvation. Unequivocally. With the blessing of western governments.

[adam2]

Another tanker attacked by rebels in Yemen, believed to be backed by and supplied by iran.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67691216

[UndercoverElephant]

So Israel has accidentally killed three hostages. The IDF says it wrongly believed them to be a "threat".

This reveals for certain what most people have known all along, which is that Israel is indiscriminately killing everybody, whether they pose any sort of threat or none at all. There is no way these three individuals would have done anything threatening -- they would either have done nothing at all or immediately declared themselves to be hostages. Only one conclusion is possible: the IDF is just slaughtering everybody in Gaza -- Hamas fighters, Palestinian civilians and Israeli hostages.

It is the old American tactic: shoot first, ask questions later.