Ukraine Watch...

[Default0ptions]

Russia . . . are now a resource to be exploited, not a superpower to be placated.

Oh yeah? This is precisely the kind of idiocy that put us in this situation in the first place. Here’s a list:

“Today, nine countries are estimated to possess nuclear warheads and have been mentioned below:

Russia - 5,977
The United States - 5,428
China - 350
France - 290
The United Kingdom - 225
Pakistan - 165
India - 160
Israel - 90
North Korea - 20”

https://www.worldatlas.com/modern-world ... apons.html

What about those 5,977 nukes Ralph?

How many nukes does it take to destroy the world Ralph? It doesn’t even matter who fired them or who was targeted. Even readers of the Guardian may be inconvenienced by a very few nukes. And your u tubers. Not even the fabled ‘first strike’ works. This is where your ideas end up:

“Attacks with 100 nuclear weapons are analyzed for their effect on the population of the aggressor nation if nuclear winter/nuclear autumn occurs, due to the disruption of the food supply. In the 100 nuclear explosion case, following [41] with a 0.75-Mt total yield could produce about 7 trillion grams (Tg) of soot, regardless of the target country (excluding island countries). This would be more than sufficient to produce the lowest temperatures Earth has experienced in the past 1000 years—lower than during the post-medieval Little Ice Age or in 1816, the so-called year without a summer.”

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/02/28/s ... the-world/

And I don’t think Russia wants to be ‘placated’ Ralph. It just doesn’t want NATO nuclear capable missiles on its doorstep.

Kinda like that Cuban missile business?

[johnny]

“Yeah, but those examples come from a truly modern military power.”

But not Russia.

Of course not Russia. They come from a background where you just create the Holodomor and put yourself on the same scale as England and the partition of India.

[Vortex2]

Britain has ‘run out of arms to send to Ukraine’
We’ve given away all we can afford and other countries should step in, says senior military chief

Daily Telegraph

[mr brightside]

As good a time as any, then, to get talking.

[kenneal - lagger]

As good a time as any, then, to get talking.

What are we going to talk about? How long we delay Russia coming back for more of Ukraine at a later date? How long we delay Russia going into the Baltic States? Or Poland?

Are we going to waste time asking Putin to sign another bit of paper guaranteeing Ukraine's borders?

[mr brightside]

As good a time as any, then, to get talking.

What are we going to talk about? How long we delay Russia coming back for more of Ukraine at a later date? How long we delay Russia going into the Baltic States? Or Poland?

Are we going to waste time asking Putin to sign another bit of paper guaranteeing Ukraine's borders?

Things have changed since BoJo last talked, Putin knows Ukraine isn't going to roll over. Russia needs assurances about NATO expansion and NATO needs assurances about Russian aggression, both parties have something the other side wants so i think it's fertile ground for negotiations. Western arrogance and 'holier than thou' mentality, and Putin's rampant paranoia are currently standing in the way. Of course it all begins with a ceasefire...which has to hold long enough for a meeting to get called to order.

[Ralphw2]

Putin has a long history in Syria of signing ceasefires at a tactical level which lasted just long enough for the forces to regroup for the next attack, or for humanitarian aid to come to clear view of the guns and bombs.

[Vortex2]

Putin knows Ukraine isn't going to roll over

The West knows Putin isn't going to roll over

[invalid]

So Ukraine has retaken a whole 1% of the land they lost to Russia. What a suicidal mistake the whole counteroffensive was. Russia in much stronger position going in to winter.

[Vortex2]

KGB defector Vladimir Popov (Daily Telegraph):

Popov further believes that the West fundamentally misunderstands the nature of Russia’s present leadership and its determination to continue the war regardless of the cost. It could use nuclear weapons as a last resort because ‘these are crazy people’, he says. It would never accept defeat because ‘the Russian mentality it’s “empire, empire”. [It must be] a big country, a strong country. Everyone in other countries must be afraid of Russia… it’s deeply in their mentality. Russia will be always the same, always.’

[Ralphw2]

So Ukraine has retaken a whole 1% of the land they lost to Russia. What a suicidal mistake the whole counteroffensive was. Russia in much stronger position going in to winter.

Russia never stopped attacking Ukrainian lines throughout the last winter. If Ukraine had not counter attacked Russia would now be throwing yet more cannon fodder at Ukrainian lines and have far more artillery and missiles to attack Ukrainian civilian infrastructure. Having failed to halt Black Sea grain exports, the analysts expect a return to the attacks of the electricity grid.

[adam2]

I have moved several posts on the worsening Israel/Palestine situation to to a new dedicated thread. A proper subject to talk about, but not much to do with Ukraine.
Please keep THIS thread on topic.


New thread is here viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29006

[Default0ptions]

I have moved several posts on the worsening Israel/Palestine situation to to a new dedicated thread. A proper subject to talk about, but not much to do with Ukraine.
Please keep THIS thread on topic.

Thanks Adam

[clv101]

Yesterday, or was it Sunday, there was news of a gas pipeline between Finland and Estonia suddenly losing pressure. Media didn't seem to make much of it - maybe because there wasn't an impressive photo of millions of cubic meters of gas bubbling to the surface.

Surely an attack not an accident though?

Seems Finland are doing a press conference about it this afternoon.

[Ralphw2]

Telecoms cable also severed. Sabotage assumed by Finland until evidence otherwise. Almost certain retribution by Putin after Finland joined NATO. (Have they formally joined yet?). Taking the opportunity whilst the west is distracted by Israel, daring Finland to call on NATO intervention.