Conservative party/opposition watch

[Stumuz2]

luxury holiday at Martha's Vineyard

You clearly have never skippered a yacht.

[clv101]

Zero chance MPs will vote for Johnson.
I'd also say ~zero chance of him doing anything outside the Tory party. Politics is too much work, been there done that.

Farage and Tice are going to rise in profile significantly though.

[Stumuz2]

As i wrote a couple of days ago,

I can see some pretty dodgy political parties coming to power. Le Pen in France, Sinn Fein in RoI, and a yet unknown party in the UK. The UK party will come from nowhere, a more radical form of UKIP perhaps. Political economic history, always ends up the same. As times get hard, politics gets ugly and looks for scapegoats.

[adam2]

PM has resigned !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63309400

[clv101]

As i wrote a couple of days ago,

I can see some pretty dodgy political parties coming to power. Le Pen in France, Sinn Fein in RoI, and a yet unknown party in the UK. The UK party will come from nowhere, a more radical form of UKIP perhaps. Political economic history, always ends up the same. As times get hard, politics gets ugly and looks for scapegoats.

FPTP does make it incredibly hard for a 'challenger' party to make progress in Westminster though. Look at UKIP's success in European and local elections compared to their total failure in Westminster.

[automaticearth2]

Ben Wallace would be the obvious choice to lead the Tories goingforward, I would have thought. Saying, with his hands full with the war in Ukraine, this is probably unlikely.

That's a real shame, as I've worked alongside and for a lot of former ex-forces folk, and they tend to be excellent at how they tend to apply themselves to the job at hand.

[UndercoverElephant]

6 weeks as PM...... bye bye.......
Bit disappointed that there weren't any tears though....

She shows little sign of actually understanding what she has done. No apology to all the people whose lives she has just made much worse. No sense she realises that she will go down as the worst PM in British history. She is both stupid and evil.

[UndercoverElephant]

I liked this from someone just now 'If Sunak is the new PCP leader, we are finished as a party'. Indeed........ it was partly due to his warblings before the mini budget that didn't help matters. Plus, he was a banker during the last financial crisis..... whatever the answer is, it isn't Sunak....

The members won't choose Sunak if there is a choice between Sunak and anybody else.

[UndercoverElephant]

Wonder if Boris will make a comeback?

If he does then the shitshow goes on. He has already admitted he cannot change his personality, and he is currently being investigated for numerous rule breaches and ethical misdemeanours. He might make a crucial difference in some red wall marginals, but if the tories want a "reset" or a unity candidate then he cannot possibly be the choice.

[UndercoverElephant]

Zero chance MPs will vote for Johnson.

It does seem a suicidal choice, but I would not rule it out.

[UndercoverElephant]

As i wrote a couple of days ago,

I can see some pretty dodgy political parties coming to power. Le Pen in France, Sinn Fein in RoI, and a yet unknown party in the UK. The UK party will come from nowhere, a more radical form of UKIP perhaps. Political economic history, always ends up the same. As times get hard, politics gets ugly and looks for scapegoats.

FPTP does make it incredibly hard for a 'challenger' party to make progress in Westminster though. Look at UKIP's success in European and local elections compared to their total failure in Westminster.

I think that depends on how much of the PCP gets on board. If the tories split down the middle then the new party could win more seats than the "continuation tories".

[UndercoverElephant]

Ben Wallace would be the obvious choice to lead the Tories goingforward, I would have thought. Saying, with his hands full with the war in Ukraine, this is probably unlikely.

That's a real shame, as I've worked alongside and for a lot of former ex-forces folk, and they tend to be excellent at how they tend to apply themselves to the job at hand.

He doesn't want the job. He's secretary of state for defence during the most serious European war in his lifetime. Why would he pack that in to take over the poisoned chalice in Downing Street?

[Potemkin Villager]

It doesn't really matter at all who gets into No 10 it will be the same shit show.

[dustiswhatweare]

Michael Fabricant has all the qualities the current version of the Tory party require. He'd beat a lettuce easily, though it might be a bit tougher if he were facing off with a cabbage.

[automaticearth2]

Ben Wallace would be the obvious choice to lead the Tories goingforward, I would have thought. Saying, with his hands full with the war in Ukraine, this is probably unlikely.

That's a real shame, as I've worked alongside and for a lot of former ex-forces folk, and they tend to be excellent at how they tend to apply themselves to the job at hand.

He doesn't want the job. He's secretary of state for defence during the most serious European war in his lifetime. Why would he pack that in to take over the poisoned chalice in Downing Street?

Agree with all that, hence why I said his appointment as PM would be unlikely. The point I was trying to make was that he would be the calibre of person you'd need at times like these. With Mordaunt being too 'woke' and Sunak being hated by a large part of his party, that leaves Boris as the potential front runner

Edit to add - Boris obviously not declared an intention to run as of yet, but should he do so, he'd give Sunak a run for his money.

I think a GE is the way to go now, but there's no guarantee this will happen sooner rather than later...