Conservative party/opposition watch

[Stumuz2]

Or maybe Credit Suisse on Monday
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[UndercoverElephant]

OK...there's now a theory doing the rounds that she is not going to be able to get the votes in parliament to pass her tax cuts. That opens up the path for getting rid of her -- if a government cannot pass a budget (even if it is called a "mini budget"), then it cannot function. At that point she has to choose between being forced into a major U-turn which amounts to a total loss of control over her own party, or calling a general election, or resigning (both as tory leader and PM).

[UndercoverElephant]

With Truss we must have reached the absolute bottom, she simply isn't remotely competent or credible.

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A few things to chew on which will definitely happen at some point.

Why would you think Starmer would be any more competent at handling them?

Are you serious? You think Starmer is capable of deciding on radical policy shifts without consulting either his own cabinet or any relevant experts? He's a textbook example of a consummate professional, and would never do anything of the sort. Why would you think Starmer is as stupid and incompetent as Liz Truss? It is a bit like comparing Manchester City with York Town FC and asking why anybody would think they are different.

[Stumuz2]

With Truss we must have reached the absolute bottom, she simply isn't remotely competent or credible.

https://twitter.com/GlobalProTrader/sta ... rNgOArAAAA

A few things to chew on which will definitely happen at some point.

Why would you think Starmer would be any more competent at handling them?

Are you serious? You think Starmer is capable of deciding on radical policy shifts without consulting either his own cabinet or any relevant experts? He's a textbook example of a consummate professional, and would never do anything of the sort. Why would you think Starmer is as stupid and incompetent as Liz Truss? It is a bit like comparing Manchester City with York Town FC and asking why anybody would think they are different.

Because Starmer is a political weathercock and not a signpost.

[clv101]

But we don't need a lot of competency for what's coming. We have printed to oblivion, people are slowly catching on, they will lose faith in the system. Remember, this madness started with Brown, carried on under Cameron, May, Boris. These were all people you said are credible.

I didn't say Cameron, May or Johnson were credible! My list ended at Brown.

[UndercoverElephant]

https://twitter.com/GlobalProTrader/sta ... rNgOArAAAA

A few things to chew on which will definitely happen at some point.

Why would you think Starmer would be any more competent at handling them?

Are you serious? You think Starmer is capable of deciding on radical policy shifts without consulting either his own cabinet or any relevant experts? He's a textbook example of a consummate professional, and would never do anything of the sort. Why would you think Starmer is as stupid and incompetent as Liz Truss? It is a bit like comparing Manchester City with York Town FC and asking why anybody would think they are different.

Because Starmer is a political weathercock and not a signpost.

I have no idea what that metaphor is supposed to mean, and I am not convinced you do either. Starmer is a competent political leader, Truss is not.

[Mark]

Truss won't call a GE with the current pole ratings.

Wouldn't put it past the Tories to have a new leader before Christmas - they're a ruthless lot, and self preservation trumps everything....
She never had a massive amount of MPs supporting her - she was just one of a very bad bunch of choices...
And I wonder what those 160,000 party members are thinking now ??
All those hustings, all that debating, all that bald head scratching....

[Stumuz2]

I have no idea what that metaphor is supposed to mean, and I am not convinced you do either. Starmer is a competent political leader, Truss is not.

It was a Tony Benn anecdote.
Basically never listen or trust a politician who blows with the wind ie changes his/her policies every time the weather changes.

[Stumuz2]

I'm not saying about about Starmer, my point is that Truss isn't remotely competent or credible. Shame on the Tory party for elevating her to the role.

But it's such a myopic view. The next couple of months will see the world change beyond all recognition. Civilain infrastructure targeted, fiat money system collapsing, large chunks of pensions not getting paid, food and fuel delivery systems obliquely targeted. And all the vacuous media want to do is blame a single person. We have even comments on this forum about ' OMG she lifts her elbow in the air'

Think our energies are better spent elsewhere. Such as the root of the problems we are about to face?

[Potemkin Villager]

I didn't say Cameron, May or Johnson were credible! My list ended at Brown.

Yes there has been an exponential decrease in political sanity since then.

Truss seriously worries me much more so than Johnson did. The whole Britannia Unhinged project is a disaster
waiting to happen. At the risk of stirring up a hornets nest here I would suggest that getting Brexit done isn't exactly helping.

He may be as lazy as feck, a highly flawed individual, insanely self centred and possibly the worst PM ever so far but there is something very seriously strange indeed, weird and darkside about the Truss. There is her very unsettling, rabbit caught in the car headlights stare that suggests reality has suddenly and highly disconcertingly impinged upon some happy slappy internal reverie that is the world as she sees it, the staccato android like speech delivery and of course seemingly lacking any internal compass.

Having been bought lock, stock and barrel by the fossil fuel industry doesn’t help whilst her total lack of compass is of course a primary, if not the primary requirement for leader of the tories. I suspect she is actually an alien artefact, remotely controlled from the dog star Sirius, and that the faster than speed of light control system occasionally glitches leading to her sporadic twitchy behaviour.

Her husband probably knew what he was signing up with her but you have to wonder what sort of crap her children are having to take at school over their infamous mother.

[UndercoverElephant]

Truss won't call a GE with the current pole ratings.

She might do if she cannot pass a budget. She may have no other option.

Wouldn't put it past the Tories to have a new leader before Christmas - they're a ruthless lot, and self preservation trumps everything....

And when things are bad, that means self-preservation as in them holding on to their own seats, even if that is in opposition. Tory MPs will now be figuring out how to disassociate themselves with Truss and Kwarteng, and the way to do it is to vote against the tax cuts, even if this means the government cannot pass a budget...

[UndercoverElephant]

I have no idea what that metaphor is supposed to mean, and I am not convinced you do either. Starmer is a competent political leader, Truss is not.

It was a Tony Benn anecdote.
Basically never listen or trust a politician who blows with the wind ie changes his/her policies every time the weather changes.

That does not make him incompetent or incapable.

[Stumuz2]

That does not make him incompetent or incapable.

Just untrustworthy, which is more important.

[Stumuz2]

Yes there has been an exponential decrease in political sanity since then.

Truss seriously worries me much more so than Johnson did. The whole Britannia Unhinged project is a disaster
waiting to happen. At the risk of stirring up a hornets nest here I would suggest that getting Brexit done isn't exactly helping.

He may be as lazy as feck, a highly flawed individual, insanely self centred and possibly the worst PM ever so far but there is something very seriously strange indeed, weird and darkside about the Truss. There is her very unsettling, rabbit caught in the car headlights stare that suggests reality has suddenly and highly disconcertingly impinged upon some happy slappy internal reverie that is the world as she sees it, the staccato android like speech delivery and of course seemingly lacking any internal compass.

Having been bought lock, stock and barrel by the fossil fuel industry doesn’t help whilst her total lack of compass is of course a primary, if not the primary requirement for leader of the tories. I suspect she is actually an alien artefact, remotely controlled from the dog star Sirius, and that the faster than speed of light control system occasionally glitches leading to her sporadic twitchy behaviour.

Her husband probably knew what he was signing up with her but you have to wonder what sort of crap her children are having to take at school over their infamous mother.

A childlike, personality politics driven rant without substance.

[UndercoverElephant]

That does not make him incompetent or incapable.

Just untrustworthy, which is more important.

In other words your original comment was "whataboutism". You weren't talking about trustworthiness - you were talking about competence. You asked why we should think Starmer was any more competent than Truss, and it was an entirely disingenuous question (because the answer is obvious). Then you started talking in metaphors and now it turns out the metaphors were about something else entirely, which you claim is more important.

You dislike Starmer precisely because you fear he will be a good Prime Minister who implements an agenda you are politically opposed to, because he's a socialist and you're an "I'm alright Jack" tory hardliner.

It's also bullshit. Starmer is not a particularly untrustworthy person, at least by the standard of politicians. His worst characteristic is that he's boring and uncharismatic. It's also not more important. I'd much rather a PM who was competent and untrustworthy than one who was incompetent but trustworthy. And so would you.