Failing police forces.

[adam2]

"failing police forces" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62732336 News report.

Being "woke" seems more important than catching criminals.
Burglary is almost never investigated, and calling 999 to report burglary has been called a misuse of the 999 system.
Shoplifting has been decriminalised and is no longer a police matter if the value of the stolen goods is under £100.
In one local case, an expensive tractor was stolen, and the owner located it via a tracking device. They gave the exact location of the stolen machine to the police, national grid reference. No action was taken as the stolen property was in an illegal traveler camp and these are no go areas for the police. After a few days of talks with "community leaders" the police entered the camp and found no evidence of crime.

And of course there was the large scale rape gangs in Rotherham and elsewhere that went unchallenged for years.

[adam2]

This is a particularly shocking case of police ineffectiveness. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62722082

I am not in general keen on vigilante action, but one can see the temptation.

[BritDownUnder]

A long time ago I recall a program on TV, when I was still living in the UK, about a fast car (possibly meeting the description of a 'Hot Hatch') being fitted with a tracker, put in a place known to be frequented by thieves and was later stolen.

The owner of the car, accompanied by a police officer, along with film crew went to the location, a nice detached house somewhere in South Essex, and the wife of the household when told there was a stolen car in the garage just told them to take it back. The 'man' of the house was not present at this time.
The camera crew went back later when the 'man' of the house was in, without the Old Bill in attendance. An attempt to interview him about his fencing of stolen goods followed. The dialog consisted of the man telling the camera crew to F*** off hundreds of times with the word beginning with 'F' being beeped. It sounded like the man was saying "Cough", "Cough", "Cough". No attempt was made to disguise the identity of the man or the location of his property.

A lot has been said about travellers who are probably responsible for probably the majority of rural crime and I think there will have to be a special armed paramilitary police unit set up to deal with them in the near future.

There are probably too few police in the UK and they are not properly armed or supported. It does not bode well for times of crisis and disorder. I would expect the Army to be called in fairly quickly in the UK during a protracted crisis and lethal force to be used. I would expect that things will get nasty fairly quickly.

[RenewableCandy]

There were an awful lot of the blighters at the Sarah Everard vigil, which wasn't even a crime.
They beat up some women, who are now quite rightly sueing them.
Basically, until anyone proves me wrong, I just think they are cowards. Or possibly not backed-up in case they get injured on duty (which frankly is understandble).

[BritDownUnder]

Old Bill is as risk averse as the next entity. If they can fine you for a failed tail light and not investigate the stolen tractor in the travellers camp they will because the first option will get them more money and promotions and the second will get them a punch in the face. I think the middle class women at the protest don't punch as hard as travellers.

[kenneal - lagger]

Many years ago a local ground worker had a big digger stolen. He managed to locate it at a traveller's camp and even then the police weren't interested. So he and his four sons went along armed with shotguns and "asked" for it back! There was no argument!!

[adam2]

I have strong misgivings about vigilante action, there is a significant risk that an exited mob will target and perhaps kill the wrong target.
OTOH, armed private individuals often seem to be the only way to recover stolen property from travelers who are a protected species.

As one local farmer put it "justice is nothing to do with the police or the courts, justice come out of the barrel of a gun"

[adam2]

Metropolitan police are to return to investigating burglaries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63044419

[Vortex2]

A lot has been said about travellers who are probably responsible for probably the majority of rural crime

If you invite them to your parties, send them Christmas cards, do some (limited) business with them then you fall to the botton of their "farms to rob next" list.

[BritDownUnder]

A lot has been said about travellers who are probably responsible for probably the majority of rural crime

If you invite them to your parties, send them Christmas cards, do some (limited) business with them then you fall to the botton of their "farms to rob next" list.

Did it work for you then?

[adam2]

Co-op stores boss warns that some places are at risk of becoming "no go areas" for shops, due to large scale shoplifting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66323140

[BritDownUnder]

Perhaps shops should go down the Costco (and no doubt many others) model. Make the entry to the shop require a membership as shops are private property after all. Anyone who tries to nick anything gets their membership card taken away.

Or 'shady' characters might have to pay a deposit to enter shops.

[adam2]

Perhaps shops should go down the Costco (and no doubt many others) model. Make the entry to the shop require a membership as shops are private property after all. Anyone who tries to nick anything gets their membership card taken away.

Or 'shady' characters might have to pay a deposit to enter shops.

ISTR something similar being proposed in the UK, a "warehouse shopping club" Either Costco or some other group with a similar business model. The proposal was hugely criticised by the left and the caring industries. Considered to be divisive.

[mr brightside]

There are many lads at my workplace who order their shopping items from shoplifters. They have instant messaging groups set up, they are well organised and the shoplifters are stealing goods to order.

[adam2]

Latest report here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66784250