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adam2 wrote: 16 May 2022, 22:17 New reports state that putin is taking personal charge of military operations, and making decisions that would normally be delegated to junior or mid ranking officers.
Considered to be another sign that the war is going badly. Hopefully it will go even worse with putin taking personal charge.
Looks more obviously just like part of the western 'intelligence' disinformation campaign.

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Vortex2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 08:00 Azovstal defense operation ended by Ukraine
That's one way of putting it.
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invalid wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:21 Looks more obviously just like part of the western 'intelligence' disinformation campaign.
Like the intelligence that said 150K russian troops with equipment was waiting on the Russian/Belarus border preparing to invade. Russia/Invalid said it was a 'disinformation campaign'
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invalid wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:26
Vortex2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 08:00 Azovstal defense operation ended by Ukraine
That's one way of putting it.
The Ukrainians did massively well to hold out for so long.
What a huge cost in blood and treasure for Russia to claim this as their 'victory'....
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Stumuz2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:30
invalid wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:21 Looks more obviously just like part of the western 'intelligence' disinformation campaign.
Like the intelligence that said 150K russian troops with equipment was waiting on the Russian/Belarus border preparing to invade. Russia/Invalid said it was a 'disinformation campaign'
But russia did not in fact invade, it might look like an invasion to ill informed Western imperialist warmongers like you and I, but it was in fact a "special military operation" carried out in order to "liberate" the oppressed people of the Ukraine, who had for some time been attempting to rejoin russia.
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invalid wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:21
adam2 wrote: 16 May 2022, 22:17 New reports state that putin is taking personal charge of military operations, and making decisions that would normally be delegated to junior or mid ranking officers.
Considered to be another sign that the war is going badly. Hopefully it will go even worse with putin taking personal charge.
Looks more obviously just like part of the western 'intelligence' disinformation campaign.

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Putin is looking more and more like Hitler every day. When Hitler took charge everything went down hill very rapidly and Putin won't be able to blame anyone else in future; apart from maybe his troops who lack any fighting spirit at all apparently.
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adam2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 17:32
Stumuz2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:30
invalid wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:21 Looks more obviously just like part of the western 'intelligence' disinformation campaign.
Like the intelligence that said 150K russian troops with equipment was waiting on the Russian/Belarus border preparing to invade. Russia/Invalid said it was a 'disinformation campaign'
But russia did not in fact invade, it might look like an invasion to ill informed Western imperialist warmongers like you and I, but it was in fact a "special military operation" carried out in order to "liberate" the oppressed people of the Ukraine, who had for some time been attempting to rejoin russia.
Sadly the people of Ukraine have been brainwashed by the Western Imperialists into believing that they didn't want to be liberated, so decadent have they become because of bourgeois concepts like "Democracy" and "Freedom" and "Justice" that the poor deranged people are now fighting against their Russian saviours.

Tragic.
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EU says it's OK to buy Russian gas.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/ ... rom-russia
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Catweazle wrote: 17 May 2022, 18:44 EU says it's OK to buy Russian gas.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/ ... rom-russia
Appalling though not exactly surprising.

The UK, Europe, and the rest of the world really should be moving away from gas in general, and away from russian gas in particular. There are now THREE significant reasons to move away from gas and other fossil fuels.

It is generally accepted that the combustion of gas and other fossil fuels is driving climate change.
A minority take a different view and do not believe in the above. They should still seek to minimise fossil fuel consumption, due to greatly increased prices.
A different minority no doubt think that the actions of russia are acceptable and not a reason to boycott russian gas.

Now ask, how many people, do not believe in climate change, AND believe that gas is cheap/will soon become cheap, AND approve of russian foreign policy ?

We may be decades away from completely ending the use of gas and other fossil fuels, but time to make a start. It looks increasingly silly to burn gas for electricity production when the wind is blowing or when the sun is shining.
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Stumuz2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:30

Like the intelligence that said 150K russian troops with equipment was waiting on the Russian/Belarus border preparing to invade. Russia/Invalid said it was a 'disinformation campaign'
I, personally, never said that, but I expect you know that.
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Catweazle wrote: 17 May 2022, 18:44 EU says it's OK to buy Russian gas.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/ ... rom-russia
Macron will be pleased.
Germany is desperate for all this to be over.

Looks like a substantial climbdown by the EU, but it has elucidated clearly that when push comes to shove, the EU will run away and talk a good job of 'solidarity and values'
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invalid wrote: 17 May 2022, 20:57
Stumuz2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 16:30

Like the intelligence that said 150K russian troops with equipment was waiting on the Russian/Belarus border preparing to invade. Russia/Invalid said it was a 'disinformation campaign'
I, personally, never said that, but I expect you know that.

So the western intelligence was correct? It was not disinformation?
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Stumuz2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 21:22
So the western intelligence was correct? It was not disinformation?
You're talking about a single occurrence of supposed western 'intelligence' which I have never directly commented upon, or called disinformation, as you well know.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make; feel free to walk me through your logic.
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invalid wrote: 17 May 2022, 22:29
Stumuz2 wrote: 17 May 2022, 21:22
So the western intelligence was correct? It was not disinformation?
You're talking about a single occurrence of supposed western 'intelligence' which I have never directly commented upon, or called disinformation, as you well know.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make; feel free to walk me through your logic.
You have stated clearly,
" Looks more obviously just like part of the western 'intelligence' disinformation campaign "

Now a simple question. Was the intelligence that said 150K Russian troops with equipment was waiting on the Russian/Belarus border preparing to invade Ukraine, western disinformation?
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Stumuz2 wrote: 18 May 2022, 07:11
Now a simple question. Was the intelligence that said 150K Russian troops with equipment was waiting on the Russian/Belarus border preparing to invade Ukraine, western disinformation?
Don't you understand that whether that particular bit of intelligence was or wasn't disinformation doesn't preclude there being a wider campaign of disinformation?
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