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clv101 wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 14:38 I don't see much of a difference between a Ukrainian pulling the trigger on a British gifted weapon and a British soldier pulling that same trigger. I wonder how much of a difference Putin sees?
None. Absolutely.
'The Kremlin has complained that Boris Johnson is the Russian public enemy number one and 'most anti-Russian' leaders.

However, the Russians loath weakness. Do you think Putin holds the butt kisser in chief Macron in higher regard because Renault has continued building cars in Russia, or France is holding backdoor negotiations to continue using Euros to buy Russian oil and gas? Or Macron on the blower every ten minutes saying he can persuade Zelenesky to give up bits of Ukraine for a deal?

I don't think so. The only thing the Putin respects is brutal killing power.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... en-energy/

"Russia will cut off gas supplies to Europe if countries refuse to pay in roubles, Vladimir Putin has warned.
The Russian leader said he had signed a decree saying customers must pay in the local currency from tomorrow or their contracts will be terminated"
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This is an interesting piece about how few Russian fighting troops there are in Ukraine and why they are having so many problems. Ukraine probably has more fighting troops per individual unit as they are not fielding lots of complicated kit and their supply lines are shorter and probably using civilian transport for much of the way.
This is south of Kharkiv, in the Donbas region out east. I count five self-propelled artillery vehicles. two armored personnel carriers, likely for security once deployed. Two command and control vehicles, likely fire direction. Two jeep-like vehicles, were officers likely ride. Three fuel trucks (take those out, and the whole battery grinds to a halt). Two vehicles are either recovery (to pull stuff out of mud), or ammunition autoloaders. And 22 supply trucks to carry ammo, spare parts, food, and other supplies.

So that’s 33 vehicles supporting five artillery cannons. That’s why logistics are so hard. Like I keep saying, only a minority of combat forces deployed actually shoot anything. Everyone else is supporting the shooters (infantry, armor, and artillery). And if you take out that supporting cast, the combat arms guys can’t move, can’t shoot, can’t eat, and are stuck in the mud.

In that artillery battery, only 13% of resources are actually focused on combat. The rest are support. Now let’s look at a Russian Battalion Tactical Group.

According to the Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, as of August 2021 Russia had about 170 BTGs. Each BTG has approximately 600–800 officers and soldiers, of whom roughly 200 are infantrymen, equipped with vehicles typically including roughly 10 tanks and 40 infantry fighting vehicles [...]

That’s 200 actual fighting men, out of 600 to 800 soldiers: just one-fourth to one-third of the total unit. But it’s even worse than that, according to this excellent U.S. Army report on Russian operations in Ukraine:

According to Russian Army manuals, in the field as many as 50 percent of infantry soldiers can be required for local security and routine administrative tasks.

So of 200 infantry, half of those are tasked with local security. Thus, once again, we’re between 12-15% of all soldiers actually doing the fighting, the rest in support. Meanwhile, “The supporting units consisted primarily of lower-quality conscript soldiers. This distinction is important: conscripts must be supervised continuously for even the simplest of tasks and are rarely used in combat.”

Ukraine is a country of 40 million. Even today, after massive refugee flows to the west, Kyiv still has 1.9 million residents left (from 2.9 million pre-war). Besieged Mariupol had 446,000 before the war. Kharkiv, 1.4 million. Russia’s invading force of 190,000 seems like a big number at first blush, but in the context of Ukraine’s size and population, it was woefully inadequate.

Now consider how few of those troops actually fight, and that number is shockingly small. Using that 15% ratio, Russia only has around 28,000 combat troops. No wonder they can’t take anything of note! Suddenly, 5,000 to 12,000 dead Russians (depending on whether you believe U.S. or Ukrainian numbers) seems exceptionally high, doesn’t it, given that combat deaths will be disproportionately borne by infantry and armor troops.

Now take ~28,000 combat troops, or whatever’s left of them, and spread them out over four major axes (~7,000 each), and then through more than a dozen separate advances in those axes. Again, it’s no wonder they’re stuck everywhere, to the point that 15,000 freezing Syrians would have little practical effect. But wait, there’s more! From that U.S. Army report linked above:

A U.S. BCT fields 600 riflemen and 250 armored fighting vehicles compared to 200 and 50 in a Russian BTG. Thus, to destroy a BCT requires destruction of 180 and 75, whereas destruction of 60 and 15 will force a BTG to withdraw and reconstitute.

A brigade combat team (BCT) is the U.S. Army’s basic maneuver unit. That is, the smallest deployable unit able to stand on its own (with intelligence, artillery, support, and other assets). Russia is organized around the much smaller BTG, which is what we see in Ukraine. Problem is, as that report states, it doesn’t take a lot of casualties to knock a BTG out of commission.

At the start of the war, Russia had 120 BTGs around Ukraine. Two days ago, the Ukrainian General Staff claimed it had damaged or destroyed 31 Russian BTGs, which seems reasonable, given you only need to kill or incapacitate 60 soldiers or 15 vehicles to force its withdrawal. So while it may be true, as the Pentagon announced today, that Russia still has a little less than 90% of its forces available, that is far less impressive if it has lost a quarter of its initial BTGs. And sure, the remnants will reconstitute, but they will necessarily be of lower quality—troops who have never trained together, with leadership they don’t know or trust, and backfilled with new recruits, foreign fighters, or even greener conscripts.

What Russia has, and plenty of it, is artillery, and it’ll continue flattening cities to rubble. But there’s a reason that attempted efforts to take Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol, Sumi, Mykolayiv, and many others have stalled. Russia may yet starve some of these cities into submission, but that takes time Russia doesn’t have, while Russians back home starve of McDonald's and Coke and more critical staples, oligarchs lose their precious yachts, and troops in the field starve with empty rifles.
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"Whilst troops in the field starve with empty rifles"

And also freeze for want of blankets and long underwear. "new and unissued" Russian military blankets were widely sold on fleabay, perhaps unofficially ? As Russian troops are now said to be short of blankets.

P.S. Neighbours report that the russian surplus wool blankets purchased for use by the children are "very thick and warm" and much better than the supermarket duvets used previously. They paid £200 for a dozen.
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It will be interesting to see whether those supplies dry up in the future or whether the graft continues.
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Russia drafts 134,500 conscripts but says they won't go to Ukraine - Reuters
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kenneal - lagger wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 16:44 It will be interesting to see whether those supplies dry up in the future or whether the graft continues.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154103484322 ... SwWGFfbhbO

Look similar, same colour and design, but these are not claimed to be wool.
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Vortex2 wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 16:45 Russia drafts 134,500 conscripts but says they won't go to Ukraine - Reuters
Presumably the 100,000 they drafted last month will go to Ukraine and they've been "trained"!

This article describes why Russia's lack of long service NCOs causes them so many problems with officers being killed and a lack of combat knowledge being disseminated down to new recruits.
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UndercoverElephant wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 09:44
mr brightside wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 06:56
UndercoverElephant wrote: 30 Mar 2022, 19:09 How do you think Germany is going to get the roubles?
This might seem simplistic, but can't they just print them?
Germany print roubles and use them to buy Russian gas? Somehow I don't think that's going to work.
You'll have to forgive me, my areas of expertise exist outside of economics. Why are the Russians asking for payment in Roubles then? Surely gold or silver would make more sense.
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adam2 wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 16:49
kenneal - lagger wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 16:44 It will be interesting to see whether those supplies dry up in the future or whether the graft continues.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154103484322 ... SwWGFfbhbO

Look similar, same colour and design, but these are not claimed to be wool.
Are these the new low spec article that is being bought to replace the high spec ones originally specified but sold and now being sold on instead of keeping Russian troops warm?

I wonder what the trolls will say about this?
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mr brightside wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 16:54 ....................... You'll have to forgive me, my areas of expertise exist outside of economics. Why are the Russians asking for payment in Roubles then? Surely gold or silver would make more sense.
Western oil purchasers will have to buy roubles from the Russian Central Bank or other holders which will push the price of the rouble back up. Those roubles will then be returned to Russia and enter circulation giving a boost to the economy. The Russian Central Bank will also get a load of other currencies which the kleptocrats of the Russian hierarchy can pilfer to spend on new super yachts and property in future, once the war is over.

Currency exchanges can be carried out electronically whereas metals need to be transported which is difficult in present circumstance.
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Germany says to still pay for Russian gas in euros/dollars after Scholz-Putin call:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge ... 022-03-30/

Germany to pay for gas in euros despite Russia’s rouble decree, says Scholz
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... ussian-gas
The German gas payments in euros would be converted into roubles by Russia’s Gazprombank, German media reported on Thursday, based on the government’s understanding of the process. The Kremlin’s decree is formulated in such a way as to allow authorised banks to convert foreign currency in the payment process, as long as customers sign up to new conditions that include the opening of a rouble account.
It's in both countries interest to keep trading in gas...
Russia needs the money and Germany needs the gas, so it looks like BAU, at least for now...
Not checked, but assume that Gazprombank will have been one of the banks that avoided sanctions...
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It’s kind of a seller’s market at the moment. Interesting to see what happens. I notice the rouble is right back where it was before this all kicked off though.

It’s also likely to be on Russia’s agenda to send a right royal f u to the west after all the sanctions.

If Russia sticks to it and Germany refuses to buy roubles to buy gas, Germany (with no LNG terminals) can always try to get it elsewhere. There’s no slack in the market right now (look at the price of gas) - so whoever Germany manages to outbid for the gas they would have had can buy it from Russia.
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Default0ptions wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 21:15I notice the rouble is right back where it was before this all kicked off though.
Quite remarkable, Rouble almost halved in value and has now regained most of that loss. Some brave currency traders might have made some good money over the last six weeks.
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clv101 wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 21:22
Default0ptions wrote: 31 Mar 2022, 21:15I notice the rouble is right back where it was before this all kicked off though.
Quite remarkable, Rouble almost halved in value and has now regained most of that loss. Some brave currency traders might have made some good money over the last six weeks.
PetroRouble effect?
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