New coronavirus in/from China

[Little John]

mmm.... Russia baaaaaad,,,

[PS_RalphW]

When it comes to Coivd, Russia has a lot of competition for incompetence and coverup prizes

[Catweazle]

Meanwhile, some more data

Could you provide a link for that data ? I followed the link in the bottom of your picture but those stats don't seem to exist. There is information about how they have stopped publishing that information in 2020:

I think the picture you posted is fabricated, did it come from the same source as the incorrect death stats you posted ? If so please let me know so I can ignore future "data".

COVID-19 and the production of statistics
(Updated 1st October 2020)
Due to the coronavirus illness (COVID-19) and the need to release capacity across the NHS to
support the response, we paused the collection and publication of some of our official statistics.
Initially this applied to the statistics listed in Annex A, for data due to be submitted between 1 April
and 30 June. This was subsequently extended to apply to data due to be submitted between 1 July
and 30 September.
The list of data collections that have been paused has now been updated for Quarter 3 and 4
2020/21. The table below outlines which collections will continue to be paused. The dates on which
those statistics would have been released are also shown in the table.
We will keep the list and dates under review ahead of 2021/22 Q1 to establish if further collections
should be reinstated or paused.
This decision is informed by the Office for Statistics Regulation’s guidance on Changes to statistical
outputs during the coronavirus outbreak.
If you have any comments or questions, please contact us.
1. Data sets paused for Q3 and Q4 2020/21
Title Designation Frequency Dates would
have been
due for
submission
Dates would
have been
published
Critical Care Bed
Capacity and Urgent
Operations Cancelled
Official
Statistics
Monthly 12th October
11th November
10th December
13th January
10th February
10th March
12th November
10th December
14th January
11th February
11th March
8th April

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/w ... -10-01.pdf

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... 9-20-data/

[kenneal - lagger]

I'm not sure what LJ is trying to prove with that table.

To me it shows that the NHS has had to convert normal beds to intensive care beds to meet expected demand. Yes, the current occupation rate is lower than last year but the absolute number of beds occupied is up and shows that the increase in beds available was necessary. As they are now expecting an increase in cases the unoccupied beds will soon be filled. Lets hope that a further increase in the number of intensive care beds is not necessary.

An increase in the number of intensive care beds implies a reduction in the number of beds available for non covid patients which is a bad thing for those not getting treatment. That would mean that we should be entering a period with tighter movement and gathering restrictions to decrease the spread of covid.

That interpretation is, I suspect exactly the opposite of what LJ sees, but is equally valid. And, don't forget, those figures are two weeks out of date during a period of increasing case numbers.

[UndercoverElephant]

There are now numerous reports that a variant from South Africa is as infectious as the new UK variant, but also may be immune to the vaccines, although most reports come back to Matt Hancock. If it is true then we may be in more trouble that we thought we were. If the virus can mutate like this, quicker than we can produce new vaccines, then vaccinating does not offer an escape route. It also suggests that people will not get long-term immunity even if they get the full-blown disease.

Then what? We can't remain locked down forever.

[Little John]

1) Corona viruses have a relatively high mutation rate. That was always true and has been known for a long time. It's why a good portion of the species of both the common cold and influenza are corona viruses.

2) There is a reason why a good portion of influenza viruses and cold viruses are not deadly. It is because they have a high mutation rate. Highly mutative virus strains always tend towards the less lethal variety over time. I really should not need to explain why to you.

3) It has already been estimated that roughly 1/3 of the UK population have partial immunity to the first strain of Covid19 precisely because it is sufficiently similar to other Corona viruses that have been around long before Covid19 and so provide sufficient partial immunity to Covid19 such that it does not present any danger to that 1/3 of people nor, at least for the first strain, does it present much danger to the vast majority of the rest of the population.

4) Given it is reasonable to assume that the the first strain of Covdid19 is going to be more similar to any future strain of Covid19 than any other previously existing corona virus, it is also equally reasonable to assume that the level of partial immunity to any future strain of Covid19 is going to be commensurately much higher among those who have contracted, recovered form and developed an immune response to the first strain of Covid19

This is f***ing epidemiology 101

[UndercoverElephant]

Highly mutative virus strains always tend towards the less lethal variety over time. I really should not need to explain why to you.

This is simply not true. Some do, some don't.

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[kenneal - lagger]

I've ordered the above book from Waterstones here https://www.waterstones.com/book/climat ... 0190931841. It is slightly more expensive but then you're supporting an ethically trading, UK company which pays taxes in this country commensurate with their profits in this country.

[UndercoverElephant]

England goes into national lockdown. It's groundhog day.

Christ this is depressing.

[Catweazle]

Covid19 is not a flu virus, influenza is not a corona virus.

Both influenza and coronaviruses have a single strand of RNA as their genome, but that is where the genomic similarity ends. The influenza virus genome comprises 7 or 8 segments, while the coronavirus has one long strand. Influenza virus RNA is what is known as ‘negative sense RNA’. This means that its sequence is the mirror image of the correct code for proteins and a complementary strand must be made from it before production of new viruses within a host cell can proceed. In contrast, the coronavirus genome is ‘positive sense’ which means it can act as messenger RNA and code for proteins. So from a virological point of view, coronavirus is definitely not a type of flu.

(My bold)

https://www.labnews.co.uk/article/20305 ... ype-of-flu

[clv101]

England goes into national lockdown. It's groundhog day.

Christ this is depressing.

Agreed. Johnson's government is reaching new levels of incompetence even I didn't think they could plunge to. On Sunday morning, schools completely safe, everyone should return to school. They do so for a one day national super spreader event, then closed from Tuesday. The announcement only coming 8pm - giving parents no time to make arrangements for their work the following day. Completely mucking schools about, who had prepared to open.

There is no shocking new, vital bit of information Johnson received this afternoon that wasn't available days ago. This decision was obvious, and should have been made at New Year.

There must be ministers properly embarrassed by this shambles. How incompetent can an administration be before there are consequences? Where's the symbolic vote of no confidence? Where's the opposition? Surely Johnson can't ever lead the party in another general election - and when that becomes accepted the race will be on to find a new leader. Liz Truss by Christmas?

The unforgivable negligence was failing to capitalise on the summer low. That was the point to get track, trace and ISOLATE, working. We spent billions - and for what?

[clv101]

In the next couple of weeks we are going to find out the hard way no group of activists has ever been as spectacularly, irredeemably, dangerously wrong as the Winter 2020-2021 Lockdown-Sceptics. I hope they at least have the humility and humanity to acknowledge their error.

~Dan Hodges, Mail on Sunday.

[Little John]

Large Numbers Of Health Care And Frontline Workers Are Refusing Covid-19 Vaccine

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ ... Yk2oqm1EtM

[Little John]

In the next couple of weeks we are going to find out the hard way no group of activists has ever been as spectacularly, irredeemably, dangerously wrong as the Winter 2020-2021 Lockdown-Sceptics. I hope they at least have the humility and humanity to acknowledge their error.

~Dan Hodges, Mail on Sunday.

What utter f***ing bullshit

Guess what, a growing number of healthcare and social care workers agree.

[UndercoverElephant]

This lockdown is going to be much harder than the first one. From what I am seeing on social media, a lot of people are taking it quite badly. There was light at the end of the tunnel, now it has been extinguished. And this time its cold and dark. There is a very real risk that the suicide rate as well as death from other non-covid reasons will spike quite badly. People have had enough.