New coronavirus in/from China

[PS_RalphW]

Meanwhile, going from the date of my birth (1963) to the present and taking into account population growth, 2020 is shaping up to be 13th in the list of highest mortality rates for that period.

I note that all the top 12 span a 14 year period from 1973 to 1986. That is a suspiciously close clustering. I suspect some number is seriously off, and I suspect it is the UK population estimate. That was a period of large immigration from our ex colonies, and not all of them may have been picked up in the census. In any case, 2020 has at leat reversed 24 years of medical improvements, and it isn't over yet

[kenneal - lagger]

Grow up you hysterical pant shitter

Just imagine somebody unbiased, reading this exchange. Which one of the participants do you think they'd conclude is an "hysterical pant shitter"?

Somebody round here needs to grow up, and it isn't Chris or Ralph. The only person posting hysterically is you.

I have deleted, and will delete in future, any name calling such as above in anyone's posts. I would hope that we can debate like adults without having to resort to childish name calling.

[kenneal - lagger]

According to the ONS the UK population for 2019 was 66,796,800. So unless about 7 million people have died since last year the figures in the table above are wrong. If they can't even get the population figures right, what hope for the rest?

Or are the other 7 million people old and infirm who aren't worth counting, LJ?

By the way all the other population figures are equally inaccurate according to the ONS figures.

[Little John]

Finally

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VuTB1by4 ... IiEVV3ChX0

You people disgust me. But, that is by the by.

What is far more important and far more heartening, is that people like you and what you are supporting and cheering on is disgusting a rapidly growing section of the people of this country.

[kenneal - lagger]

Meanwhile, according to the BBC, case numbers and numbers in hospital with covid are above the March figures.

I will just continue to keep my head down and get on with life the best I can until we come out of this. If we are being manipulated there is not a lot we can do about it but who is doing the manipulating? The rich who are destroying the economy upon which their wealth relies but who will end up with a much larger proportion of a very much smaller pot? Or are the government doing their best to muddle through a situation which has never been seen before while simultaneously trying to minimise the loss of life and loss to the economy?

We might find out in a few years time.

[Little John]

Thoughts for the day:

On average 500 people die of cancer every day

Nobody claps.

Every year in the UK, roughly 100,000 people die ‘for any reason’ within 28 days of a haircut.

See? Easy isn’t it.

(Deleted - KN_L)

[Catweazle]

Finally

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VuTB1by4 ... IiEVV3ChX0

You people disgust me. But, that is by the by.

What is far more important and far more heartening, is that people like you and what you are supporting and cheering on is disgusting a rapidly growing section of the people of this country.

You want to see disgusting ?

If this is real, then there's some major shit about to go down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u6oc9T ... e=youtu.be

Lots of news filtering out now that this virus is dangerous and the Chinese authorities have tried to suppress news of how bad it is.

I certainly hope so. Lots of problems solved in one go if it's bad enough. I'm content to take my chances.

But let's be honest. It's probably going to kill a few and then that will be that.

[Little John]

Finally

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VuTB1by4 ... IiEVV3ChX0

You people disgust me. But, that is by the by.

What is far more important and far more heartening, is that people like you and what you are supporting and cheering on is disgusting a rapidly growing section of the people of this country.

You want to see disgusting ?

If this is real, then there's some major shit about to go down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u6oc9T ... e=youtu.be

Lots of news filtering out now that this virus is dangerous and the Chinese authorities have tried to suppress news of how bad it is.

I certainly hope so. Lots of problems solved in one go if it's bad enough. I'm content to take my chances.

But let's be honest. It's probably going to kill a few and then that will be that.

Nice try.

That was written by me at the very start of all of this before anyone had any idea about how this was going to turn out. In other words, it was a broad speculation of how many people it might kill and was little more than bravado or, perhaps, stoicism in the face of what looked, at that time, to be a calamity no matter what was done.

However, it became rapidly clear, to those of us who are neither pant shitters or thick, that (a) this virus is nowhere near as dangerous as was being made out and (b), as a consequence, the lock-down policies being implemented bore no relationship to the danger.

Meanwhile, instead of trawling back through several months of posts to desperately try and find anything to use as a personal smear, how about actually addressing the data?

Of course, we both know you wont.

[Catweazle]

Finally

https://www.bitchute.com/video/VuTB1by4 ... IiEVV3ChX0

You people disgust me. But, that is by the by.

What is far more important and far more heartening, is that people like you and what you are supporting and cheering on is disgusting a rapidly growing section of the people of this country.

You want to see disgusting ?

I certainly hope so. Lots of problems solved in one go if it's bad enough. I'm content to take my chances.

But let's be honest. It's probably going to kill a few and then that will be that.

Nice try.

That was written by me at the very start of all of this before anyone had any idea about how this was going to turn out. In other words, it was a broad speculation of how many people it might kill and was little more than bravado or, perhaps, stoicism in the face of what looked, at that time, to be a calamity no matter what was done.

However, it became rapidly clear, to those of us who are neither pant shitters or thick, that (a) this virus is nowhere near as dangerous as was being made out and (b), as a consequence, the lock-down policies being implemented bore no relationship to the danger.

Meanwhile, instead of trawling back through several months of posts to desperately try and find anything to use as a personal smear, how about actually addressing the data?

Of course, we both know you wont.

I've already, many times, debunked your hysterical conspiracy theories, you continually ignore the evidence because you are blinded by your prejudice. So why not have a look at your motives ?

No doom and gloom from me. The more humans it takes out, the better.

And I am not sure that the oil doom didn't happen. It just didn't happen the way some people thought it would. It was the rising price of oil that popped the property bubble in 2008. It turns out that the price of oil can only go so high before it collapses the weakest other part of the system (in that case, irresponsible mortgages), and presumably that will happen again next time oil prices start rising because demand outstrips supply.

For the first time in quite a while, I find myself in 100% agreement UE......

[Little John]

Okay, for the hard of thinking, we'll try this one fact at a time shall we.

National bed occupancy is currently 85%. A figure that has been pretty stable for three months. By contrast, bed occupancy for this quarter last year was 92%. Yes, really.

I usually provide links to the NHS or ONS sources so that people like you can go and read it for yourself. But, since people like you are clearly not bothering to read those sources, it's getting a bit pointless. So, I'll make it a bit more interesting for you.

Provide evidence that provably denies the above fact. That shouldn't be too hard, right?

By the way, vague hand waving by way of response does not count as "evidence".

[Little John]

Meanwhile:

A study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan, China, has found that asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 did not occur at all, thus demolishing the policies of lockdowns, which are built on the premise of the virus being unwittingly spread by infectious, asymptomatic people.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

[careful_eugene]

Dr Rachel Clarke from Oxford speaks about the effect of the second wave.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1344198742120005633 In other news the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine has been approved for use in the UK, this vaccine doesn't need to be stored at -70 degrees so should be easier to roll out.

[clv101]

Government's messaging will be interesting today. On the one hand they will go into hype overdrive on the vaccine, the end is in sight, technology has ridden to the rescue, the pandemic will be contained (in rich countries) within a matter of months etc etc...

BUT, the next couple of months are going to be worse than anything we've seen yet and will call for tighter controls, more restrictions etc. and daily fatality rates in excess of 1000 per day (but they won't spell that out). Expect an announcement on schools today, limited opening in January - I'm not expecting full attendance until after half term.

[Little John]

Yes.... that's right folks.... wank on about the "numbers" for procedural issues such as lockdown policies, government "projections", rollout of the vaccine etc etc...

Make's it all sound so "objective".... right?

Meanwhile, avoid any discussion of the actual numbers on the ground and the actual scientific facts... you know... things like how many people are actually in hospital compared to the average, how many people, in total, have actually died this year compared to the average, what the actual evidence is for asymptomatic transmission, what the actual epidemiological function of vaccines is .... little, unimportant facts like those...

You jokers are intellectually bankrupt.

[Little John]

A little reminder of the science on epidemiology, vaccinations and their function and the Covid19 "vaccine" in particular:

Mass vaccination is only ever appropriately used when:

(a) It is not known who or how many may get seriously ill with a given virus

(b) It is known that a majority will get seriously ill with a given virus

(c) In the presence of (a) and/or (b) there is a section of the population whom it is known will choose not be vaccinated and so will be herd-protected if the majority of the rest of the population get vaccinated.

Thus, 70% or so of children are vaccinated for measles, for example, on the basis that this will protect the unknown number of unidentifiable in advance kids who may get seriously ill with measles plus it will have the added benefit of providing herd immunity for the remaining 30% or so of kids who do not get vaccinated.

In the case of Covid19, however, we KNOW the following FACTS:

1) The vast majority of the people who catch this virus will NOT die. They will RECOVER.

2) We know PRECISELY who is at risk from Covid19. They are the VERY ELDERLY and/or the already VERY FRAIL.

On the above basis, the only people who should be offered a Covid19 vaccine up front - IF THEY WANT IT - should be the very elderly and/or already very frail.

There is absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever for pushing this out onto the mass of the population. After all, if someone takes the vaccine and I don't and I get Covid19 (which I personally have a huge likelihood of recovering from), they are safe because the vaccine works...right?

Having said all of the above, I couldn't actually give a single solitary toss if this vaccine is perfect in every way since I (along with the vast majority of the rest of the population) am at no more more significant risk of dying of Covid19 than I am of dying of the flu and I along with the majority of the population do not currently get a vaccine for the flu.

In other words, we only vaccinate the vulnerable against flu. The old. The diabetic. Other chronically ill people.

We don't vaccinate healthy children against flu. Influenza is five to ten times more dangerous to 0-18 year olds than CoVID-19. The CoVID-19 infection fatality rate for 0-18 years is 0.00003% or 0.3 per million infections.

This Covid19 vaccine, according to the manufacturers, does not even prevent someone contracting Covid19 nor does it stop transmission of Covid19 (in saying this alone, they reveal they really don't know what it does). Additionally, the WHO have already stated, on the record, asymptomatic transmission is "very rare".

If these maniacs try to force this vaccination on anyone who isn't vulnerable, by mandate or by proxy, that is a huge red flag. Add into all of the above, the fact that this vaccine is using novel technology never before used on a human population, has not undergone any of the normal testing protocols (usually 5 to 10 years in duration), where the manufacturers are being given special legal immunity from prosecution should anything go wrong and, finally, is being pushed by a government that have demonstrably and provably lied to us about Covid19 from the very start, anyone would have to be ignorant of the facts or be a moron to take this vaccine.

A growing number of scientists are now, finally, belatedly, speaking out against this lunacy. Notably, former Pfizer vice president and scientific director Dr. Michael Yeadon and German lung specialist and parliamentarian Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg have filed an urgent application with the European Medicine Agency calling for the immediate suspension of all SARS-CoV-2 vaccine studies - particularly the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).

Yeadon and Wodarg say the studies should be halted until a design study is available which addresses a host of serious safety concerns expressed by a growing body of renowned scientists who are skeptical of how quickly the vaccines are being developed, according to Germany's 2020 News.

On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se. -2020 News

The pair also point to concerns raised in previous studies involving other coronaviruses - including (via 2020 News):

The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.

The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.

The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.

The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.

But, each to their own I guess. If anyone else wants to take it, they should knock themselves out. But, if anyone thinks the rest of us can be legally coerced into taking it - either directly or indirectly - they are very much mistaken. The number of people waking up to this dangerous nonsense is growing by the day.