New coronavirus in/from China

[vtsnowedin]

I see the UK has approved the Pfizer vaccine ahead of the US having less politics on the line. I hope the role out goes smoothly and your most at risk will soon be protected.

[Stumuz2]

Thanks VT.

Looks like the first benefit of voting Brexit. Although we could have done the safety data analytics within the EU, if we had not have left, our lazy politicians would have just shirked the responsibility over to European medicines agency, as they have done since 1972.

Within days of the Brexit vote the European medicines agency (based in London) announced that it was moving to an 'EU' capitol.This forced British politicians to ensure the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) was fit for purpose. The result being that the MHRA was able to analyse the safety data concurrently as it become available.

If all goes well, we could achieve herd immunity and full economic reopening up to 2 months ahead of time. This in economic and social terms is massive. The reason two months is postulated comes from an IPSOS survey which found that 46pc of the French will refuse a jab, compared to Spain (36pc), Italy (35pc), Germany (30pc) and the UK (21pc).

Time will tell just how sage a decision not following the bureaucratic EU machine was.

[Potemkin Villager]

According to the grauniad:-

"The education secretary, Gavin Williamson, has claimed the UK was the first country in the world to clinically approve a coronavirus vaccine because the country has “much better” scientists than France, Belgium or the US.

Williamson said he was not surprised the UK was the first to roll out the immunisation because “we’re a much better country than every single one of them”.

Asked whether Brexit was to credit for the world-first, Williamson told LBC radio station on Thursday: “Well I just reckon we’ve got the very best people in this country and we’ve obviously got the best medical regulators."


So now you know, just in case you hadn't guessed,it is all very obvious. What is there to possibly go wrong?

[vtsnowedin]

we’ve obviously got the best medical regulators."

Would not having the best scientists that are being regulated be the top priority?
At any rate time is of the essence. Before sufficient people are vaccinated to slow the spread in late winter it is estimated that daily deaths in the US will be over 3000 per day so it could be said that every day of unnecessary delay directly causes 3000 unnecessary deaths. The UK's numbers might be a quarter of that so a thirteen day head start may well have saved close to 10,000 lives.

[Stumuz2]

According to the grauniad:-

"The education secretary, Gavin Williamson, has claimed the UK was the first country in the world to clinically approve a coronavirus vaccine because the country has “much better” scientists than France, Belgium or the US.

Williamson said he was not surprised the UK was the first to roll out the immunisation because “we’re a much better country than every single one of them”.

Asked whether Brexit was to credit for the world-first, Williamson told LBC radio station on Thursday: “Well I just reckon we’ve got the very best people in this country and we’ve obviously got the best medical regulators."


So now you know, just in case you hadn't guessed,it is all very obvious. What is there to possibly go wrong?

From the same article,
" It is unclear whether Williamson made his remarks in jest"

[Stumuz2]

we’ve obviously got the best medical regulators."

Would not having the best scientists that are being regulated be the top priority?
At any rate time is of the essence. Before sufficient people are vaccinated to slow the spread in late winter it is estimated that daily deaths in the US will be over 3000 per day so it could be said that every day of unnecessary delay directly causes 3000 unnecessary deaths. The UK's numbers might be a quarter of that so a thirteen day head start may well have saved close to 10,000 lives.

Agreed Vt, it is not who made the first vaccine, it is who has access to it. When politics get in the way, it can slow things down. Time = deaths.This is behind a paywall, but you get two articles fro free if you register. The article concurs what you said.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... e-britain/

[Potemkin Villager]

From the same article,
" It is unclear whether Williamson made his remarks in jest"

It would seem to be a very strange subject to be jocular about.
Maybe it is the famous British sense of humour?

[vtsnowedin]

A bit of a bump in the road.
Late this afternoon( in New York) Pfizer announced they had a problem with raw materials not being up to standard and cut their estimated 2021 deliveries of their vaccine by half.At least they didn't try to palm off some doggy product on some third world country.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-sla ... 1607027787

[Little John]

Anyone who thinks that mass vaccination is appropriate for Covid19 is scientifically illiterate. Mass vaccination is only ever appropriately used when:

(a) It is not known who or how many may get seriously ill with a given virus

(b) It is known that a majority will get seriously ill with a given virus

(c) there is a section of the population whom it is known will choose not be vaccinated and so will be herd-protected if the majority of the rest of the population get vaccinated.

Thus, 70% or so of children are vaccinated for measles, for example, on the basis that this will protect the unknown number of unidentifiable in advance kids who may get seriously ill with measles plus it will have the added benefit of providing herd immunity for the remaining 30% or so of kids who do not get vaccinated.

In the case of Covid19, however, we KNOW the following FACTS:

1) The vast majority of the people who catch this virus will NOT die. They will RECOVER.

2) We know PRECISELY who is at risk from Covid19. They are the VERY ELDERLY and/or the already VERY FRAIL.

On the above basis, the only people who should be offered a Covid19 vaccine up front - IF THEY WANT IT - should be the very elderly and/or already very frail.

There is absolutely no scientific basis whatsoever for pushing this out onto the mass of the population. After all, if someone takes the vaccine and I don't and I get Covid19 (which I personally have a huge likelihood of recovering from), they are safe because the vaccine works...right?

Having said all of the above, I couldn't actually give a single solitary toss if this vaccine is perfect in every way since I (along with the vast majority of the rest of the population) am at no more more significant risk of dying of Covid19 than I am of dying of the flu and I along with the majority of the population do not currently get a vaccine for the flu.

In other words, we only vaccinate the vulnerable against flu. The old. The diabetic. Other chronically ill people.

We don't vaccinate healthy children against flu. Influenza is five to ten times more dangerous to 0-18 year olds than CoVID-19. The CoVID-19 infection fatality rate for 0-18 years is 0.00003% or 0.3 per million infections.

This Covid19 vaccine, according to the manufacturers, may not even prevent transmission (in saying this alone, they reveal they really don't know what it does). The WHO have already stated, on the record, asymptomatic transmission is "very rare".

If these maniacs try to force this vaccination on anyone who isn't vulnerable, by mandate or by proxy, that is a huge red flag.

Add into all of the above, the fact that this vaccine is using novel technology never before used on a human population, has not undergone any of the normal testing protocols (usually 5 to 10 years in duration), where the manufacturers are being given special legal indemnity from prosecution should anything go wrong and, finally, is being pushed by a government that have demonstrably and provably lied to us about Covid19 from the very start, anyone would either have to be a moron to take this vaccine or, perhaps even worse, be prepared to sacrifice their liberty and partake of what they know to be a lie in order to not have to stand up to power and so feel more secure. In which case, they deserve neither liberty nor security.

A growing number of scientists are now, finally, belatedly, speaking out against this lunacy. Notably, former Pfizer vice president and scientific director Dr. Michael Yeadon and German lung specialist and parliamentarian Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg have filed an urgent application with the European Medicine Agency calling for the immediate suspension of all SARS-CoV-2 vaccine studies - particularly the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).

Yeadon and Wodarg say the studies should be halted until a design study is available which addresses a host of serious safety concerns expressed by a growing body of renowned scientists who are skeptical of how quickly the vaccines are being developed, according to Germany's 2020 News.

On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se. -2020 News

The pair also point to concerns raised in previous studies involving other coronaviruses - including (via 2020 News):
The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.

The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.

The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/ex-pf ... bd1BjzQA8E

But, each to their own I guess. If anyone else wants to take it, they should knock themselves out. But, if they or anyone else thinks the rest of us can be legally coerced into taking it - either directly or indirectly - they are very much mistaken. The number of people waking up to this shite is growing by the day. Indeed, it was even admitted that the number of people who will refuse the vaccine is growing rapidly in both the UK and across Europe.

Some of us are already organizing.

Some of us will resist.

By any means necessary.

[PS_RalphW]

It was too much tlo hope that you would keep your word and stay away.

As always you only see the evidence you want to see. There is widespread evidence that covid damages the lungs and other organs in many young and healthy people causing long term and possibly permanent damage to many more than it kills in the under 45 age bracket. That reason alone is enough to justify a blanket vaccination programme. Also, no vaccine gives 100% protection. Even if 90% are protected, that would still allow many thousands to die if vaccination was limited to just the old and frail.

No one is forcing anyone to get this or any vaccine.

You would be stupid not to.

And zero hedge is a Web site with zero credibility

[Little John]

REG 174 INFORMATION FOR UK HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ionals.pdf

"4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation Pregnancy

There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2.

Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed.

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.

For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.

Breast-feeding
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk. A risk to the newborns/infants cannot be excluded. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should not be used
during breast-feeding.

Fertility
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility."

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Quick review of the regulator approval and "roll out" timeline
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Sky News, 18th of November

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pfi ... s-12135473

"The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has now proved 95% effective in preventing coronavirus and has met the safety criteria needed for emergency authorisation, the firms have said.

"Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said that, pending authorisation, the NHS will be ready to roll them out to the most vulnerable from 1 December."

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BBC, 2nd of December

Covid-19: Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine judged safe for use in UK from next week

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55145696

"The Pfizer/BioNTech jab is the fastest vaccine to go from concept to reality, taking only 10 months to follow the same steps that normally span 10 years.

"An mRNA vaccine has never been approved for use in humans before, although people have received them in clinical trials."

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The Independent, 2nd of December

Coronavirus vaccine: Pfizer given protection from legal action by UK government

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 65124.html

"The UK government has granted pharmaceutical giant Pfizer a legal indemnity protecting it from being sued, enabling its coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out across the country as early as next week."

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The EU and Fauci have both said the British have pushed this through too fast.

Cavalier and dangerous

[Little John]

All of this in the context of a disease whose average age of death is 82.4. As compared to the average age of death of anyone dying of anything other than Covid19 being 81.6.

Since when did people get so entitled thinking they have a God given right to live past 82, and that everyone should suffer for that right?

Reality check - you're 82 and should have come to terms with dying long ago

[Little John]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4vkJp0Nw28

[adam2]

We are now EVEN MORE doomed.
As everyone knows, the virus was spread in the USA by the mysterious alien monolith in Utah. That was a reassuring distance away from the UK.
However a similar alien monolith has now appeared on the Isle of Wight, which is rather closer to home.
The aliens are being helped by the CIA, the Vatican, and the Freemasons, in a combined plan to enslave the masses.

[Stumuz2]

LJ,
It is perfectly normal not to test new vaccines on pregnant women. For the simple medical ethical reasoning of the the foetus cannot give consent. Therefore, if it cannot be tested on pregnant women, logically there cannot be any data, which in turn prevents doctors administrating it, which in turn leads to Reg 174.
Horse before cart etc.