Moderator: Peak Moderation
So not a punishment for supporting Brexit, but a punishment for not being Tory enough.Wealthy areas, including the chancellor Rishi Sunak’s parliamentary seat, are avoiding lockdown despite having higher Covid-19 rates than poorer areas that are subject to restrictions, according to leaked emails between health officials.
Agree with most of that.Snail wrote:It's always seemed to me its local politicians and councillors pushing local strict lockdowns. Like that idiot middlesbourgh mayor shutting parks and public spaces. Just like it was teachers and teacher unions pushing the same in schools.
Someone tried to bait me into an argument last week about coronavirus. She mentioned David Icke! Didn't know and wasn't interested in any details, wasn't even concerned about the economy, and other side-effects. I'm crap at arguing.
The conspiracy thing is a cop-out for not having to think. Personally I think human nature explains a lot. Panic from the initial and ongoing doom-graphs, its china origins, virus-themed films which sprung up and shown on TV, the natural inclination to go along with the crowd. The human instinct of individuals and groups to capitalise on a bad situation and profit from it. To not admit past mistakes, which will destroy careers.
The same media went along with wmds in Iraq, and libya. Before that the cold war and nazi German and dictator-friendly Europe. Mass-hysteria isn't new.
We are living in strange times already where cherished norms are made abnormal simply because they're norms.
Twitter, group-think etc.
I'm sure he would not have because if he was the type of person who in any way was capable or willing to act differently on Iraq, he would never have made it to the position of prime minister of the UK to begin with. The role of the upper echelons of the mainstream Left in this country have, for many decades, been to act as gatekeepers to the globalist, neo-liberal oriented, "acceptable" Overton window of political discourse and, where necessary, be cheerleaders for it.Mark wrote:....If TB had his time again, I'm sure he'd have acted differently on WMD/Iraq.....Snail wrote:It's always seemed to me its local politicians and councillors pushing local strict lockdowns. Like that idiot middlesbourgh mayor shutting parks and public spaces. Just like it was teachers and teacher unions pushing the same in schools.
Someone tried to bait me into an argument last week about coronavirus. She mentioned David Icke! Didn't know and wasn't interested in any details, wasn't even concerned about the economy, and other side-effects. I'm crap at arguing.
The conspiracy thing is a cop-out for not having to think. Personally I think human nature explains a lot. Panic from the initial and ongoing doom-graphs, its china origins, virus-themed films which sprung up and shown on TV, the natural inclination to go along with the crowd. The human instinct of individuals and groups to capitalise on a bad situation and profit from it. To not admit past mistakes, which will destroy careers.
The same media went along with wmds in Iraq, and libya. Before that the cold war and nazi German and dictator-friendly Europe. Mass-hysteria isn't new.
We are living in strange times already where cherished norms are made abnormal simply because they're norms.
Twitter, group-think etc.
Yep and I don't think anybody has a fecking clue how to play this.UndercoverElephant wrote:
To me it just looks inevitable that we can't get rid of covid-19. In which case we have some very serious questions to ask about how the economy is supposed to operate in future. It's not just a one-off economic hit - it looks like there's no viable plan for the future. We knew that anyway, for non-covid reasons, but this thing has the potential to kill off the economic system much more quickly than was already happening.
So what? That is true of any influenza infection for a small number of people. The only pertinent question is whether or not this is true to a much more severe extent and in a significantly greater number of people for Covid19 than it is for any other influenza virus. As yet, there has been no systemic evidence produced to that effect.clv101 wrote:I have two personal friends in their 30s, still not 100% since a spring infection.
From that link:clv101 wrote:There are several links on the front of BBC today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54296223
But what does he know ?Post-viral fatigue or a post-viral cough are well documented and common - we've probably all had an infection that has taken ages to fully recover from.
Around one in 10 people with glandular fever has fatigue which lasts for months. And there have even been suggestions that flu, particularly after the 1918 pandemic, may be linked to Parkinson's-like symptoms.
"With Covid there seem to be more far-reaching symptoms and the number of people seems to be much greater," says Prof Brightling.
The emphasis though is on the word "seems" as until we have a true picture of how many people have been infected we won't know exactly how common these symptoms are, he says.
He told the BBC: "The uniqueness of the way the virus attacks the host and the different ways it then alters the way cells behave seem to be both giving people more severe infection than other viruses and persistent symptoms."
But then goes on to admit:How many people are getting it?
A study of 143 people in Rome's biggest hospital, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, followed hospital patients after they were discharged.
It showed 87% had at least one symptom nearly two months later and more than half still had fatigue.
That'll be the minority who are already old and frail who already had numerous comorbidities before the even got Covid19However, such studies focus only on the minority of people who end up needing hospital treatment.
So, how many people who have influenza have symptoms 3 months later? Do you know? No, of course you don't. Or, rather you don't want to.The Covid Symptom Tracker App - used by around four million people in the UK - found 12% of people still had symptoms after 30 days. Its latest, unpublished data, suggests as many as one in 50 (2%) of all people infected have long-Covid symptoms after 90 days.
Meanwhile, in the UK:Catweazle wrote:From that link:clv101 wrote:There are several links on the front of BBC today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54296223
But what does he know ?Post-viral fatigue or a post-viral cough are well documented and common - we've probably all had an infection that has taken ages to fully recover from.
Around one in 10 people with glandular fever has fatigue which lasts for months. And there have even been suggestions that flu, particularly after the 1918 pandemic, may be linked to Parkinson's-like symptoms.
"With Covid there seem to be more far-reaching symptoms and the number of people seems to be much greater," says Prof Brightling.
The emphasis though is on the word "seems" as until we have a true picture of how many people have been infected we won't know exactly how common these symptoms are, he says.
He told the BBC: "The uniqueness of the way the virus attacks the host and the different ways it then alters the way cells behave seem to be both giving people more severe infection than other viruses and persistent symptoms."
Same page reports UK hospitalisations jumped 25% in the last day.
Repeatedly posting graphs is pointless unless you offer some reasoned interpretation of them.Little John wrote:Or pretty much any other Western European country you care to look at:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
