New coronavirus in/from China

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 20 Sep 2020, 16:44

clv101 wrote:But despite all these divisions, LJ is still clearly speaking for the majority.

Covid, Brexit or sarcasm, Chris?

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 20 Sep 2020, 16:51

Little John wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhGcfj1 ... xwhFP7zZH8

Resorting to "data" from pundits now are we, LJ?

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 20 Sep 2020, 16:53

The second wave never appeared in China. Anywhere in China. Despite the scare stories reported in msm and here:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12715027/ ... cond-wave/

No cases in mainland china for 33 consecutive days.

China and Russia are currently sowing up most of the world with their vaccine. So its not just money but geopolitics.

I'd be very surprised if the west doesn't start rolling out a vaccine soon.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 20 Sep 2020, 16:55

Meanwhile in the scientific world research is pointing to mask wearing being advantageous and akin to inoculation.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 20 Sep 2020, 16:57

While this hypothesis needs to be backed up with more clinical study, experiments in hamsters have hinted at a connection between dose and disease.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 20 Sep 2020, 17:14

Several on here have now shown their true colours one way or another

Post by **adam2** » 20 Sep 2020, 17:15

Snail wrote:
While this hypothesis needs to be backed up with more clinical study, experiments in hamsters have hinted at a connection between dose and disease.

Poor hamsters. I am opposed to animal experiments, except in exceptional circumstances.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 20 Sep 2020, 17:38

https://goodyfeed.com/wp-content/upload ... -masks.jpg
Just adorable.

But, what's this:
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-widely-s ... ring-masks

If people could come up with reasonable explanations for covid-19 anomolies such as sweden, I would listen and take it on board.

Similar, for long-term health risks. But all the articles, including the heart one and the one linked recently have either been debunked or are about to be for obvious flaws.

Similar, for masks.

When I took notice of economic and accounting articles, I quickly noticed that the same authors kept cropping up again and again. And the one's they linked to were the same ones again and again.

I wonder if these 'scientific' studies are being used to simply get names out and linked to other studies and articles on a quid-pro-quo basis. Like a science-based meme.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 20 Sep 2020, 17:53

Little John wrote:Several on here have now shown their true colours one way or another

Come the revolution LJ will personally hang, draw and quarter us all for offences against the people!!

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 20 Sep 2020, 18:21

Little John wrote:Several on here have now shown their true colours one way or another

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 20 Sep 2020, 19:18

kenneal - lagger wrote:Meanwhile in the scientific world research is pointing to mask wearing being advantageous and akin to inoculation.

Yes!

Variolation.

What are peeps thoughts on variolation?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/im ... ariolation

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 20 Sep 2020, 20:08

Finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMmqnZP ... BGvdZWcO1I

If this was a BLM protest the police would not even be there or, if they were, would be genuflecting.

Post by **clv101** » 21 Sep 2020, 11:37

A few figures I caught from today's press conference.

Our cases are rising exponentially (not due to changes in testing), we're around 6 weeks behind Spain and 4 weeks behind France. Both are now seeing rises in fatalities.

There are currently around only 200 covid cases in hospital (think data was only England), but doubling every week. At the high point in the spring, there were ~20,000. Fewer than 8% of the population have had the virus to date, probably a higher rate in London.

If the doubling continues for 8 weeks, to mid November, we're at ~50,000 hospitalisations. More than double the spring peak and into high winter base load on the NHS.

Bottom line, unless we break the current exponential rise, we're looking at overwhelming the NHS in November with the associated rise in death rate.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 21 Sep 2020, 11:43

clv101 wrote:A few figures I caught from today's press conference.

Our cases are rising exponentially (not due to changes in testing), we're around 6 weeks behind Spain and 4 weeks behind France. Both are now seeing rises in fatalities.

There are currently around only 200 covid cases in hospital (think data was only England), but doubling every week. At the high point in the spring, there were ~20,000. Fewer than 8% of the population have had the virus to date, probably a higher rate in London.

If the doubling continues for 8 weeks, to mid November, we're at ~50,000 hospitalisations. More than double the spring peak and into high winter base load on the NHS.

Bottom line, unless we break the current exponential rise, we're looking at overwhelming the NHS in November with the associated rise in death rate.

Putting aside any arguments about the veracity of that analysis, not least on the back of data from countries like Sweden and others, a second lockdown is not feasible in any event due to its equally and, arguably even greater devastating effects

Post by **clv101** » 21 Sep 2020, 11:58

Little John wrote:Putting aside any arguments about the veracity of that analysis, not least on the back of data from countries like Sweden and others, a second lockdown is not feasible in any event due to its equally and, arguably even greater devastating effects

Agreed. But equally, 50,000 needing hospital treatment in eight weeks time is also 'not feasible'.