New coronavirus in/from China

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 05 Aug 2020, 00:43

Sir Jeremy Farrar, Director of the Wellcome Trust and member of the Sage committee speaking on BBC Hardtalk to paraphrase, "(the virus) is very transmissible and can be transmitted when no symptoms are shown" and "the idea that only a small part of the population gets it is wrong.". "We are in the early stages of the disease and only know about the acute symptoms and don't know about the chronic symptoms that even mild infections are producing".

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 05 Aug 2020, 03:22

So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 06 Aug 2020, 16:31

Nope?

Thought not

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 06 Aug 2020, 18:22

The bloke is the director of one of the foremost medical research bodies in the world and an advisor on the Government's Sage committee so I would think that he knows what he is talking about on a TV interview, not the usual place to cite references. I will believe him over you any day of the week, LJ.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 06 Aug 2020, 18:26

kenneal - lagger wrote:The bloke is the director of one of the foremost medical research bodies in the world and an advisor on the Government's Sage committee so I would think that he knows what he is talking about on a TV interview, not the usual place to cite references. I will believe him over you any day of the week, LJ.

Ah, so that would be the one who, when interviewed on Radio 4 about demonstrating the efficacy of masks using blind randomized studies, said that he didn't put much store by such studies in this case.

I'm not kidding.

Meanwhile, did he cite, in this interview, the study or studies to back up his assertions? Can you cite a single study that has done so?

I mean, that really shouldn't be too difficult...right? Given that is the entire edifice of rationale for the legally coerced muzzling of non-elderly, non-frail, non-symptomatic and/or asymptomatic people in public places.

So, got any studies to share which demonstrate the widespread asymptomatic transmission of Covid19? That's before we even get onto the issue of the efficacy of paper masks or cloth face coverings.

Any at all?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 06 Aug 2020, 20:51

Little John wrote:So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?

Did he say that ? It's not what I read.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 06 Aug 2020, 20:58

Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?
Did he say that ? It's not what I read.

If he did not say that, then what the hell is his rationale for the coerced wearing of face-coverings by non symptomatic or asymptomatic, non elderly and non frail people... you know... around 85% to 95% of the population?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 06 Aug 2020, 23:01

Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?
Did he say that ? It's not what I read.
If he did not say that, then what the hell is his rationale for the coerced wearing of face-coverings by non symptomatic or asymptomatic, non elderly and non frail people... you know... around 85% to 95% of the population?

I assume it's to slow the spread of the covid virus, I can't see any other credible reason.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 06 Aug 2020, 23:25

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53678508

Coronavirus: England's contact-tracing app readies for launch

Ah, yes, leading the world. South Korea has its contact-tracing up running in April.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 07 Aug 2020, 06:11

Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote: Did he say that ? It's not what I read.
If he did not say that, then what the hell is his rationale for the coerced wearing of face-coverings by non symptomatic or asymptomatic, non elderly and non frail people... you know... around 85% to 95% of the population?
I assume it's to slow the spread of the covid virus, I can't see any other credible reason.

Slow the spread on what basis?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 07 Aug 2020, 09:24

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 9/fulltext

But what do they know, eh ?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 07 Aug 2020, 11:55

The studies into the long-term effects are starting. It will be a while, but some early work has been published.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07 ... scientists

careful_eugene · Post by **careful_eugene** » 07 Aug 2020, 14:32

Meanwhile, the Tory government has been doing what it does best by handing out profitable PPE contracts to their mates with little or no oversight. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/statu ... 2145177600

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 07 Aug 2020, 15:09

careful_eugene wrote:Meanwhile, the Tory government has been doing what it does best by handing out profitable PPE contracts to their mates with little or no oversight. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/statu ... 2145177600

Oh Joly! the uber remainer on steroids golf club wielding fox murderer who tried every pathetic trick to stop us leaving the EU Moangham.

Yes, That'll be a subjective account.

I wonder if he will tweet when the refund is paid?

careful_eugene · Post by **careful_eugene** » 07 Aug 2020, 15:22

stumuz1 wrote:
careful_eugene wrote:Meanwhile, the Tory government has been doing what it does best by handing out profitable PPE contracts to their mates with little or no oversight. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/statu ... 2145177600
Oh Joly! the uber remainer on steroids golf club wielding fox murderer who tried every pathetic trick to stop us leaving the EU Moangham.

Yes, That'll be a subjective account.

I wonder if he will tweet when the refund is paid?

TBF I think he's highlighting something here which needs consideration, it's a pity that the official opposition aren't all over this. Do you think a refund will be paid?