New coronavirus in/from China

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 19 May 2020, 08:21

UndercoverElephant wrote:Makes no sense at all. Same number of people in Europe, yet loads of different food producers are throwing away food "because demand has fallen through the floor".

Restaurants.

The type of food and quantity/waste is different from households.

Also, takeaways use the sh1tiest ingredients possible (usually imported) and we are not buying takeaways as much either.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 19 May 2020, 08:29

vtsnowedin wrote:My youngest daughter who is a middle school teacher trying to teach her students on line lost one of her students to suicide today, age fourteen.
She of course is devastated.

I hope your daughter is OK. Teachers have a a thankless job nowadays.

I hope the child's family can get help. Not easy if we are all locked up.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 19 May 2020, 08:30

vtsnowedin wrote:My youngest daughter who is a middle school teacher trying to teach her students on line lost one of her students to suicide today, age fourteen.
She of course is devastated.

That puts the disease into sharp relief. People are starting to realise the blessing of living in big happy families.

Tell your daughter well done for carrying on with the vital work she is doing. Those online lessons will be bringing structure to her pupils and their lives.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 19 May 2020, 08:31

clv101 wrote:
If, following relaxation of the lockdown cases and hospital admissions start to rise rapidly, informing us of elevated R and a return to exponential grown - tight restrictions will be reimposed.

The idea that we would fail to contain (keep cases below acceptable level) a 2nd wave seems unlikely.

Agreed for once!

Post by **clv101** » 19 May 2020, 08:41

There's a huge amount of food waste in normal times, maybe it's just showing up in different places now?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 19 May 2020, 08:50

clv101 wrote:

This cartoon is a few weeks old now. Many people are now adopting the blue narrative.

Meanwhile;

5% or thereabouts will die in the absence of medical intervention - mostly the elderly and already sick.

15% or thereabouts will get sick with little if any medical intervention but will recover - mostly the elderly and already sick.

80% will be absolutely fine and may even experience next to no symptoms.

Those are the facts.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 19 May 2020, 08:53

Additionally, deaths by strokes and heart attacks have fallen, over the last two or three months by around 70%.... apparently

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 19 May 2020, 09:28

An excellent piece pushing the timeline back further:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... s-arrival/

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 19 May 2020, 09:46

Little John wrote:Additionally, deaths by strokes and heart attacks have fallen, over the last two or three months by around 70%.... apparently

Funny you should mention that. Stress is a lot to do with the likes of heart attacks, and of late I have noticed something really quite strange. Whilst out and about on my pushbike there are others doing the same - walking, cycling. This is during the week when normally people would be at work but of course they aren't now, and the 'aura' of them being relaxed and chilled out is quite palpable. This is what people are like when they aren't having their noses rubbed firmly against a grindstone, when pressure is removed. Everyone smiles, no furrowed brows. This is what we could be like, but it won't last, then all the stress related shit will be back.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 19 May 2020, 10:15

eatyourveg wrote:
Little John wrote:Additionally, deaths by strokes and heart attacks have fallen, over the last two or three months by around 70%.... apparently

Funny you should mention that. Stress is a lot to do with the likes of heart attacks, and of late I have noticed something really quite strange. Whilst out and about on my pushbike there are others doing the same - walking, cycling. This is during the week when normally people would be at work but of course they aren't now, and the 'aura' of them being relaxed and chilled out is quite palpable. This is what people are like when they aren't having their noses rubbed firmly against a grindstone, when pressure is removed. Everyone smiles, no furrowed brows. This is what we could be like, but it won't last, then all the stress related shit will be back.

You clearly don't live in the world the majority do. The one where 80% of the shit wages they were already on will not pay the bills. The one where they live in shoe boxes in dense urban environments. The one where the shitty job on shitty money they were on before this lockdown will not even be there when it lifts.

Oh, and by the way, strokes and heart attacks overwhelmingly occur in the elderly and comorbid. Can you work out where they have gone yet?.....

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 19 May 2020, 10:34

Well I see the same as EYV, but we all know that weird things are happening. I have just sent a shielding letter to my employer as they are due to reopen. Interesting times!

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 19 May 2020, 11:16

Little John wrote:
eatyourveg wrote:
Little John wrote:Additionally, deaths by strokes and heart attacks have fallen, over the last two or three months by around 70%.... apparently

Funny you should mention that. Stress is a lot to do with the likes of heart attacks, and of late I have noticed something really quite strange. Whilst out and about on my pushbike there are others doing the same - walking, cycling. This is during the week when normally people would be at work but of course they aren't now, and the 'aura' of them being relaxed and chilled out is quite palpable. This is what people are like when they aren't having their noses rubbed firmly against a grindstone, when pressure is removed. Everyone smiles, no furrowed brows. This is what we could be like, but it won't last, then all the stress related shit will be back.
You clearly don't live in the world the majority do. The one where 80% of the shit wages they were already on will not pay the bills. The one where they live in shoe boxes in dense urban environments. The one where the shitty job on shitty money they were on before this lockdown will not even be there when it lifts.

Oh, and by the way, strokes and heart attacks overwhelmingly occur in the elderly and comorbid. Can you work out the rest?.....

What can I say, you are in your bubble, I'm in mine. My physical location and my head location are the results of decisions I have made through my life. This is what I aimed for, it's what I got.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 19 May 2020, 11:17

If you are under 50 and have no comorbidities, you likely have more chance of being run over than you do of dying of Covid-19.

If you are under 70 with no comorbidities, the odds are still massively that you will not die

Meanwhile, our economy is being reduced to a smoldering ruin and our society is being turned into a real life version of George Orwell's "1984" novel

And half of you buggers on here are lapping it up.....

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... -19-by-age

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 19 May 2020, 11:28

eatyourveg wrote:
Little John wrote:
eatyourveg wrote: Funny you should mention that. Stress is a lot to do with the likes of heart attacks, and of late I have noticed something really quite strange. Whilst out and about on my pushbike there are others doing the same - walking, cycling. This is during the week when normally people would be at work but of course they aren't now, and the 'aura' of them being relaxed and chilled out is quite palpable. This is what people are like when they aren't having their noses rubbed firmly against a grindstone, when pressure is removed. Everyone smiles, no furrowed brows. This is what we could be like, but it won't last, then all the stress related shit will be back.
You clearly don't live in the world the majority do. The one where 80% of the shit wages they were already on will not pay the bills. The one where they live in shoe boxes in dense urban environments. The one where the shitty job on shitty money they were on before this lockdown will not even be there when it lifts.

Oh, and by the way, strokes and heart attacks overwhelmingly occur in the elderly and comorbid. Can you work out the rest?.....
What can I say, you are in your bubble, I'm in mine. My physical location and my head location are the results of decisions I have made through my life. This is what I aimed for, it's what I got.

Bollocks

I am simply stating facts for the majority of the population. I also know and understand what the facts are for a minority of the population.

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 19 May 2020, 11:30

Little John wrote:Wakey wakey

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-ri ... -19-by-age

No surprises there, other than here in the UK the current government, for whatever reason, don't appear to have given much protection to their voter base. I know UK figures aren't in there but I can't see them differing much.

It just looks so much like a eugenicists wet dream, bye bye old and anyone not in good nick - we'll sort the young ones out later, watch out weaklings.